Has God given man 6000 years to rule himself before Jesus returns to take over? Many Christians think the Bible teaches this and they leverage it to predict the year of Jesus’ Second Coming. But is it possible? How do you count the years? What do they start from? (Hint: not Adam/Creation) Also, what does Adam’s age for Seth’s birth tell us about the latest that Jesus can return?
Prophecy in Week Cycle
One of the great secrets to Bible prophecy is the understanding of the prophetic nature of the feasts of the LORD ("Yehovah"), understood commonly as the Jewish holy days. It appears that this key has been mostly unknown until around the turn of the century. But nowadays you can find many, mostly Messianic teachers teaching it. (Most of whom I'd wager learned about it from Michael Rood, as did I in 2000).
If you are not already familiar with the concept, the idea is that the appointed times which God gave to Israel to keep were also prophecy. They contained a prophetic "shadow of things to come" (Col 2:17). Or as Jesus said, he came to fulfill the Law because "not one jot or tittle would pass from the Law until all are fulfilled" (Mt 5:17-18). Jesus did not fulfill all of it, just the spring feasts (Passover, Feast of Unleavened Bread, Pentecost) and many other aspects. The fall feasts (Day of Trumpets, Day of Atonement, etc.) and other aspects are yet to be fulfilled. It's these other aspects that we'll focus on in this article.
While many teachers grasp how the annual spring and fall feast days of Leviticus 23 are prophetic, few apply what Jesus and Paul taught about the Law (or Torah) to the Sabbath day which is also found in Leviticus 23.
The Six-Then-One Pattern in Torah
The Torah has several instructions relating to groups of six days or years followed by a seventh that is distinct.
- 7-day Week: "Work may be done for six days, but on the seventh day there must be a Sabbath of complete rest, a sacred assembly. You are not to do any work; it is a Sabbath to the LORD wherever you live." (Leviticus 23:3)
- Sabbath Day Picture: "If thou turn away thy foot from the Sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the Sabbath a delight, the holy of YHVH, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:" (Isaiah 58:13)
- 7 Day Creation Week: "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy:...11 For Yahweh made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and everything in them in six days; then He rested on the seventh day." (Exodus 20:8-11)
- 7 Year Slave Release: "When you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for six years; then in the seventh he is to leave as a free man without paying anything." (Exodus 21:2)
- 7 Year Land Sabbath: "10 Sow your land for six years and gather its produce. 11 But during the seventh year you are to let it rest and leave it uncultivated, so that the poor among your people may eat from it and the wild animals may consume what they leave. Do the same with your vineyard and your olive grove." (Exodus 23:10-11)
These verses illustrate a pattern of six days or years being for work or enslavement and then in the seventh day or year to rest or be set free. The picture of the Sabbath day goes beyond just rest from work to being a day to cease from self-interest and to honor God.
So what are the Sabbath day and the six preceding days a prophecy of?
The Day-For-a-Year Principle
It's hard to answer that with any confidence from these verses alone. A few other key verses found in the OT and especially the NT shed light on how to understand the six-day work week prophetically:
Psalms 90:4 — For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.
2 Peter 3:8 — But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with YHVH as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
These passages establish what is called the "day-for-a-year" principle. It means that when the Bible uses or refers to days, sometimes what is meant, at least on a prophetic level, is years.
This is seen most prominently in Daniel's "70 Weeks" prophecy (Dan 9:24-27). The common accepted understanding interprets the 70 weeks as not literally 490 days, but 490 years. The first 69 weeks of years predicted the timing of Jesus' first coming and the final or 70th week describes the seven years leading up to Jesus' Second Coming.
The implication of this is that besides the Sabbath day and Sabbath year, there is also a Sabbath millennium.
What is the Sabbath Millennium?
This "Sabbath millennium" concept may sound familiar. Most people are already familiar with Revelation's prophecy of the 1,000 year reign of Christ and his saints. It's taught in Revelation 20 where the phrase "1,000 years" is repeated six times.
Rev 20:6 — Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of the Messiah, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Revelation 19 shows that this 1,000 year period begins immediately following Jesus return as king to rule, accompanied by the resurrected/raptured and glorified OT and NT saints. This is a period distinct from the time before, known for peace and prosperity:
Isaiah 2:4 — He will settle disputes among the nations and provide arbitration for many peoples. They will turn their swords into plows and their spears into pruning knives. Nations will not take up the sword against other nations, and they will never again train for war.
Isaiah 11:9 — They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of YHVH, as the waters cover the sea.
Revelation 20:2 — He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for 1,000 years.
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You can see just from this sampling of verses how different the Sabbath millennium is from today's world. It's in stark contrast to all the preceding millennia filled with deception, confusion, war, destruction and hurt. It fulfills the picture of the Sabbath day that we saw above.
If the Sabbath millennium mirrors the Sabbath day, it follows that the preceding six work days likewise mirror six millennia of human history leading up to Jesus' return. It would be a time that God has allocated for man to "work" things out on his own, including governing himself. Meanwhile God mostly works only behind the scenes to keep things on the 6000 year schedule.
Why give man so much time first? it appears that the reasoning behind this plan is for man to give all his own systems of government a chance and therefore not be able to say to God when his reign begins that "God shoved his religion down our throat." (I talk about this in depth in my article on Satan in Prophecy.)
Creation Year - Clues in Planetary Alignments
Once you know about the 6000 years of man, the immediate desire is to know when Creation was so that you can add 6000 years to it. Here's the best answer to that question that I have found.
There is a researcher by the name of Eugene W. Faulstich who spent a lifetime researching biblical chronology with the aid of astronomical computer programs. Among the many dates he was able to verify from Scripture was the date of Creation. He determined that Creation Week was March 19th-25th, 4001 BC and that the 8th day was a new moon marking the first month of the first year (Aviv 1, 1) at March 26th, 4001 BC. What he found was there was a "singular planetary alignment" on the 5th day of creation which has never happened since. Likewise, there was a planetary alignment on the summer solstice of that same year which is also incomparable in history.
Why is that important? Genesis 1:14 tells us that one of the purposes of the heavenly bodies is to mark times and give signals. We would therefore expect something significant to be evident in the heavens for a time as important as creation. Likewise, we might expect there to be a similar astronomical event to demarcate the end of the 6000 years. And there has.
On May 5th, 2000 C.E, 6000 years from 4001 BC, there was another rare planetary alignment. It was a conjunction consisting of Venus, Mercury, Sun, Jupiter, Saturn, Mars, and the Moon. This also happened to be the night of the first visible sliver of the new moon. Biblical years start with the first new moon in the spring after the barley is aviv, or mature. The barley had not been aviv for the previous new moon on April 6th which the calculated calendar that the Rabbis use prescribed as Aviv, 5760. This was also the first new moon in Jerusalem in which the barley grain was ready to be harvested, or aviv. Aviv is the name of first month of the year and is so named because it can only be declared when the barley is aviv so that as early as 15 days later it can be harvested and used in the Feast of the firstfruits rehearsal (Ex 9:31, 13:4, 12, Lev 23:4-11) of the first month.
This seems to confirm that May 5th, 2000 was actually Aviv 1, 6001, the start of the seventh millennium from Adam or Creation.
Passing 6000 Years From Creation
However, if that's the case, then we are way past 6000 years from Creation. This disappointing realization is not new. If you have been aware of this "6000 year plan of God" doctrine for some time like me, you know that even before the year 2000, it was common to see people trying to use this theory for date-setting. They believed that if they could determine the actual year of Creation, they only had to add 6000 years to that and they believed they would know when Jesus was coming back.
But after we passed the year 2000, most chronologies, like Bishop Ussher's and the one above put us already in the Millennium or at least in final seven years of Daniel's 70th week. This creates a big problem for the 6000 years of man theory. How could it be true if we already passed 6000 years from Creation?
This prompted doubts about the theory such as this email I received expresses:
...which is the proper way to count the 6000 years of man's allotted time [to rule himself] on earth? There are about 3 or 4 Hebrew calendars (lunar, solar - 356 days, 390 days give or take), a Julian, a Gregorian, a biblical year, a solar year, etc. but I think from my perspective it all boils down to whether we should be counting from Adam to present by biblical years, by solar 365.25 years, or by straight 24-hour days. Maybe the 6000 years has to be counted in a mix of everything, depending on the prophecy, the dispensation (Age of Law, Age of Grace, etc). It makes me wonder if we are erroneously thinking we are at the 6000- year mark when, in fact, we have been counting wrong all these millennia. — Jim
How Do You Count A Year?
The answer to this doubt is that while it is true that the Bible and over a dozen calendars indicate that Earth used to have a 360 day year, it's important to note that changing length of the year does not change the definition of a year. Because we are used to saying "a year is 365¼ days" we can fall into thinking that years can be reckoned by days, or the 24 hour revolutions of the earth. However, the real definition of a year is not X number of days, but rather one complete orbit of Earth around the Sun. Calendars intercalate leap months or leap days in an attempt to keep the days and months of the year in sync with this astronomical reality of the seasons coming from earth's orbit.
Others ask why we have to make it so hard when we have the Jewish Calendar showing a year less than 6000 such as the year 5773 for 2012. What most do not realize that the rabbis and scholars do is that there is an error in that reckoning, by some 240½ years (the half year because they improperly start the year in the Fall, rather than the Spring as the Bible instructs). Some say this is on purpose to hide the coming of the Messiah as Daniel's 70 weeks predicted right down to the year he came. Whatever the reason, there is admitted tampering and lost years to make the Jewish Calendar say we have passed a significantly smaller number of years since Adam than Bible chronologies say we do.
Obviously by the right definition of a year and not tampering with it, there's no doubt that we have passed 6000 years from Creation. If that is the case, then does that mean the 6000 years theory is disproven?
Why the Garden of Eden Time Doesn't Count
The solution to the quandary lies in questioning the assumption that the 6000 years began at Creation.
This assumption does not consider that while Adam and Eve were still in the Garden of Eden, they were obeying God and under his government, the Kingdom of God. The 6000 year clock of man's self-rulership should not include that idyllic period. Man's striving against each other and God only started once Adam was kicked out of the Garden of Eden for rebelling against God's rulership. (Of course due to eating the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.) Only then did Adam begin building his own independent life that the six work days/6000 years picture.
OK, great. Then what year was "the Fall of Man?"
As you might expect, the Bible does not make it easy to answer that. For example, it never tells us how long they were in the Garden. If it did, we would be able to predict the return of Jesus by it long, long ago, certainly by the time of Jesus when he said no man knows (yet). Therefore, I think it was purposely concealed, unlike the year of Creation which I believe is knowable using Biblical chronology or other reckonings.
Application: The Last Possible Year for Jesus' Return?
The 6000 years of man's self-rule appears to be a Scripturally sound teaching and useful insight into the plan of God for preparing man to receive his Kingdom (again). However, it may seem like it is a dead end for getting an idea of when Jesus can come back.
Nevertheless, there is one interesting point that does come out of this research. Although we cannot calculate far in advance the year of Jesus' Second Coming, we can place an upper limit to that year.
The way it works is as follows. The time of Adam and Eve in the Garden could have been many years. However, we have a verse that lets us date the latest that Adam and Eve could have been in the Garden. It comes from this verse:
Genesis 5:3 — Adam was 130 years old when he fathered a son in his likeness, according to his image, and named him Seth.
How does this help? If you never noticed, Adam and Eve did not begin having children (Gen 4:1) until after they were banished from Eden (Gen 3:23). This means that the longest they could have been in the Garden would have been somewhere under 130 years. The reason is that they did not have Seth until Cain slew Abel; Seth replaced Abel.
How old would Cain and Abel have been to be producing food which they also sacrificed to God and for Cain to be mature enough to murder Abel? 13? 20? 30? It's impossible to know, but it's hard to imagine in such simple times a ten year old or teen killing his brother. In the Bible the age of accountability is 20 years (Ex 30:14). If we go with 20 years as a conservative lower limit for the age of Cain when he slew Abel, then that means Adam was no older than 110 (130 - 20) when he became a father to Cain and Abel (who possibly are twins). If you conservatively assume Adam had Cain on the first year that he left the Garden, then that makes 110 years the maximum time he was in the Garden (give or take nine months gestation for Cain and Abel and another nine for Seth before he was born at Adam's age 130).
...Jesus Must Return Before ~2110 (But Probably Sooner)
If 2000 was the year 6001 from Creation, then you add the 110 to that giving us 2110 as around the latest possible year for Jesus' Second Coming. That's still a long ways off. It's not exactly very comforting to those anxiously awaiting Christ's return. However, keep in mind that this is only speculation on the longest it could be. It's not setting a date for when it will be.
I personally believe more and more that there are reasons to conclude it will be much sooner than that, like 2030 which if correct would mean the "the end" or "birth pains" Jesus spoke about beginning in 2026.
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https://dsscalendar.org/ Gives good detail on the calendar used by the writers/keepers of the Dead Sea Scrolls. The calendar scroll was not published until 2017, I believe. In light of the new details of the proper lunar calendar that was followed until corrupted by the Pharisees/Saducees or other groups during the inter-testamental period, it would be a good idea to revisit the Biblical timeline.
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[…] of the World by James Usser, Chronology of the Old Testament by Floyd Jones, How Old Is the Earth?, God’s 6000 Year Plan, etc.) But as the article Is There a 6,000 Year Plan? by Bob Thiel covers, the year according […]
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I found your website because i was searching if anybody already was remotely aware of this mind set, apparently it is nothing new, it was to me though…
That was until a few days ago, when i saw a video of a born again content creator on youtube and i think it will add more clearity to your article here…
This is the link, https://youtu.be/cqhdW9jVWMo
God bless you all greatly, our lord Jesus Christ really is coming very soon, brethren…
Be Ready!
Repent if you have not yet because USA aka Mystery Babylon is going to be hit with EMP, then NUKED from russian submarines and invaded by Chinese/Russian forces.
Including economy collapse and “Disease X” (very serious similar to Ebola bleeding virus).
AVOID at all cost “Plague” Jabs which is precursor to Mark of the Beast and person turns to spreader of virus. “Plague” syringe is biological weapon with a slow kill! (Mark of the Beast is higly suspected to be “luciferase Quantum Dot Tattoo!).
AVOID also (useless false negative/ false positive) “Test Swabs” which contain “Nano Particles”.
AVOID “general medicine masks”. (They do more harm than do good. They stop oxygen getting into the brain and they contain also nano particles).
Turn from ALL sins and Repent (Truly).
Be Reborn from water (Immersion Baptism) and Spirit (ask and have Holy Spirit in your heart).
Great Tribulation is very near. Very seriously close. Time is running out and the Rapture will take place in the midst of the first chaos when Russian forces invade USA soil.
Be Prepared for what is coming!
Seek our God and Lord Jesus Christ and have relationship with Him while there is still time.
God Bless You!
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Many people cling to the rapture as a drowning person to a piece of wood. But wood eventually gets saturated and sinks.
What if there is no rapture? After all every church father and leader has missed it until Mr. Darby came up with it a good 100 years ago. There appears to be a hole in the revelation here, possibly one of convenient fantasy!
Shalom
George
A bit of a side thought here Tim BUT completely relevant to the idea that we are TRULY in the last decade or two. Your references to the “nephilim/sons of God” and establishing the very stark truth of the satanic bloodlines who covertly control the whole world. The one event that has REALLY crystallized this for me is the covid-19 “plandemic” as I like to refer to it. The PTB realize their time is short to set in motion the events which will lead to the NWO one world gov’t. I recently listened to a series of interviews done many years ago by Greg Halett the author of “Hitler Was A British Agent” and when one connects the dots it’s not hard to see how God is allowing Satan to accelerate these end-time happenings because God Himself said that no one would be saved unless the days were shortened. That directly ties into your MAX time till Jesus would return early 22nd century and how it will DEFINITELY be shortened.
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your comment: I personally believe more and more that there are reasons to conclude it will be much sooner than that, like 2030 which if correct would mean the “the end” or “birth pains” Jesus spoke about beginning in 2026.
I was shown that is not far off. The really bad end times events will be rolling by then or sooner. The 8th King is just on the horizon maybe just months away. I posted the info on the 120 year time period and more that I was given here: http://www.walkin.love
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I am on board with His 7,000 year cycle – as 2 Thessalonians reminds us, “Now, brothers, as to the times and seasons, you do not need to be written to…. you brothers, are NOT in darkness, so that this day should overtake you as a thief…..The Moedim teach us the times and seasons 🙂
The question I can’t fathom is this….Yeshua is returning to reign in His resurrected body….If when He comes, those who are dead are resurrected first and then those alive meet Him in the pillar of cloud – are we reigning with Him in our resurrected, glorified bodies? If so, wouldn’t the Yom Kippur Judgment of the world have to have already occurred? How could the Yom Kippur Judgement be at the end of the Millennium if we must all be judged before receiving our glorified, immortal bodies? Are we serving as His priests in our resurrected bodies? Are we crossing an impassable “red sea” that only He can take us across…? Are we ministering to those in unresurrected fleshly bodies? If Satan is bound and there is still sin – albeit only from man’s heart….then we must conclude that those living the 1,000 years are in bodies of mortal flesh? What passages have you studied relating to this…? I can’t fathom that there wold be one judgment precluding the Millennium – and then another after?
I know we are not looking for a man of flesh to come establish and serve at a temple built with human hands….that will be the deceiver’s work…Ezekiel says He will build the temple….but I still have so many questions….
Thankful for all of you brothers and sisters in the Way….
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Christine, I don’t teach Yom Kippur/Wrath of God is after the Millennium. It’s right before. Yes, we are changed at the rapture and live forever in those immortal bodies and rule physical humans for the Millennium.
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Thanks for the v elucidating article. Well from time of creation it can be seen devil hasbeen tampering with God’s plans every step of the way from eve to nephilims to creation of multiple parallel religions with same stories truth mingled with subtle lies confusing all…..same with multiple calendars calculation of days years time et al.
But as always God had already overcome such plans by giving truth searchers various clues in various passages.
Believe one of those is to calculate from time of Israel’ rebirth as a nation a concrete time….. to get an idea of rapture and millineum based on Matt 24 verse about a ‘generation will not pass….’ and defining generation in psalm 90:10 …. bringing is to 2021 for rapture tribulation and 2028 for start of millineumgive and take few years as gregorian calendar and other r not exact….alongwith the signs of times as in Matt 24…. Luke 21.
God bless
Reply LJ, the parable of the fig tree is not a prophecy and has nothing to do with Ps 90:10.
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Yes, I think I would agree Tim in that the parable of the fig tree is not referring to the rebirth of Israel. The point of Christ’s parable was to emphasize that the generation of people who see certain events of the tribulation begin to take place would also see the end of the tribulation. They were not to think the tribulation would continue on for many decades. Instead, they were to see that period of time had a relatively short duration.
People claim Christ is basically saying: “When you see Israel become a nation again, know that the end will come within a generation (70-80 years). But that doesn’t harmonize with the context and the point Christ is making. He is speaking to those who will be on the earth when the tribulation begins and goes on to describe things they will hear and see during that time (i.e. wars, abomination of desolation etc.):
He gives the parable of the fig tree in in Matt 24:32-33 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
The parallel is made between seeing a fig tree and seeing the events of the tribulation. That is, even as seeing a fig tree putting forth figs implies summer is near, so likewise seeing certain events occuring in the tribulation implies the second coming is near. That is, seeing events such as the abomination of desolation, the rise of false Christ and prophets with great signs and wonders etc.
“these things” doesn’t seem to refer to everything Christ has previously said in Matt 24 for there were things that didn’t imply the end was near such as Matt 24:6 “And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not alarmed, for this must take place, but the end is not yet.” In other words, while they would hear of wars, that didn’t imply the end would occur relatively soon.
What are these things Christ speaking of? Such things as the abomination of desolation, the rise of false Christ and prophets with signs and wonders etc. which are things that will occur during the tribulation which are things the end time generation of jews will see and will indicate the end is near. The rebirth of Israel is obviously not one of the things in view as that occurred in the distant past, long before the tribulation and long before the vast majority of the end time generation were even alive.
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Just wanted to let you know, the book of jubilees says Adam and Eve were in the garden for 7 days. That could be years, jubilee cycles or meaning a completion of time.
Also, the epistle of barnabas verifies the teaching that the sabbath is a shadow of the Sabbath to come when Christ returns! It also has several other important issues that Moses taught, that are spiritual but were thought of as physical, like the eating of pork!
I do indeed believe there is a 7,000 year plan for this heaven and earth, with the last thousand year set apart as a millennial Shabbat. I have created a timeline from the beginning to now, and when the second coming would be, which all correlates with the Jubilee cycles of the Torah. Check it out http://www.wisdomofgod.co/2018/11/06/when-the-year-of-the-second-coming-will-be-the-millennial-shabbat-of-the-year-6000-yb-jubilees-and-the-12901335-days-of-daniel/ .
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Great article and thank you.
I am 56 yr old and have been studying my Bible since I was a kid and was basically raised in a Baptist church, so why did I just learn about God’s 7,000 year plan two weeks ago? Seems odd. My study Bible doesn’t mention it in the time-line given above nor in the booklet that I received through the mail from another Christian source. I find this very intriguing and I can’t stop reading about it.
The article above is very well written and I am going to give it to my pastor at work tomorrow. I brought this up to him last weekend.
The incident of the planetary alignment back in 2000 is an event that I remember because I have been an amateur Astronomer since I was in my teens.
Also, I work in statistics so I understand the concept of the upper and lower limits given in the timelines, again very interesting.
In conclusion, the fact that three different sources have come up with a time-line of around 2100 is incredible.
Now here is my bit: Since the year 2000, look at what has occured in our country since then: California is having large forest fires annually, family murder-suicides are common, mall shootings are common, employment shootings are common, teenage women are having babies and disposing of them like trash, STDs and STIs are rampant, opiate use is out of control, and of course, the breakdown of marriages is in full swing, and for the past ten years, I have read in the news about beastiality. And let’s not forget about the sexual abuse of women and children.
My point is: all these events are signs of the end times and since the year 2000, these things have been occuring each year exponentially and if these sins keep on doubling each year, it won’t be long before this country implodes and it will happen long before 2030. People are showing brash attitudes toward civility and anti-law that have never been shown before in American history.
Reply You should try the epistle of barnabas! I just read it and it explains a lot, that they don’t teach you in church!
It’s non canonical, but it’s really interesting!
Blessings!
This is an interesting passage as well to determine when Jesus was born.
Revelation 12:1-5
“And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
And she being with child cried, travailing in birth and pained to be delivered.
And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. And she brought forth a man child, who as to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God and to His throne”.
NASA and now others have plotted all movement of the planets and stars on a computer and this can reveal what the sky looks like at any given time, past or future. Christian scientist have gotten a hold of this program and are giving seminars on what the sky looked like during Jesus’ time
When applying Astronomy to this passage, it takes on a new meaning. In the first verse, the translation of the word “wonder” in the original Greek refers to a “sign” – but one of the references to this word refers to the Zodiac – a Zodiacal “sign”…and this sign is obviously the “sign” of a woman. There is only one constellation of the Zodiac that represents a woman – the constellation Virgo, the virgin -.(this obviously being a symbolic”nod” to Mary, the mother of Jesus)
It also mentions the woman was “clothed with the sun and the moon under her feet”. The Sun as it appears to travel through the ecliptic (the path the Sun moves across the sky over the course of a year as it passes through the twelve constellations of the Zodiac) enters into the “mid body” of the constellation of Virgo – “clothing her with the sun” for a twenty day period during any given year. There is a very important event being described here – in the year 3 BC the sun was in this position from August 27th through September 15th.
We are then told that the woman also had the “moon under her feet”. In 3 BC this configuration occurred on one day and one day only – September 11th, between sunset and moon set. On September 11th, sunset occurred at 6:18pm, and moon set occurred at 7:39pm.
To tie this all together, the planet Jupiter was traveling against the back drop of stars to the east, and reached its highest point in the sky in this time frame.
As the Magi left Jerusalem, they saw Jupiter go before them. Traveling south towards Bethlehem, Jupiter in its nightly path would have “went before them, till it came and stood”. Being excellent Astronomers, the Magi knew Jupiter would progress slowly toward this point over the town of Bethlehem as it reached its highest point in the sky at the meridian in the constellation of Virgo. As they approached Bethlehem, Jupiter finally “stood over” where the child was born. Based on this hypothesis, Jesus Christ was born on September 11th, 3 BC between 6:18 pm and 7:39 pm.
The great red dragon is of course, Lucifer – whose failed attempt to destroy the Master is thwarted at its onset – as the last passage indicates a future for our Lord ruling the nations with a rod of iron from the throne of God.
Tim,
Your thoughts on this?
Wow! Interesting. I also found online that a man figured out that the earth was created in September 4004bc. That would make Jesus’ birth almost 4000 years later from creation!
Reply Bodies will be Like Christ: I John 3:2-3 Phil. 3:21 Different Kind of Bodies: I Cor. 15:39-50
We shall be like him for we shall know him as he is.
States to me that we will have the bodies like Jesus had after the resurrection. He ate with the disciples, he appeared and disappeared at will, Flesh and Bones no Blood: Luke 24:39-40
We will be able to eat: Luke 24:41-43
Appear and Disappear: John 20:19 & 26—Luke 24:31,36, 51
Others will Recognize Us: Matt. 8:11—Luke 24:31—Luke 16:20—I Cor. 13:12
Bodies Different From Earthly Bodies: II Cor. 5:1-8—Mark 12:25
White Robes that shine: Luke 24:4
Can See Earth from Heaven: Heb. 12:1 –I Cor. 4:9
Know the beginning from the end
Read Minds: Luke 5:22 & 6:8
One Language: Zeph. 3:9
Mind of Christ: Our Minds joined with Christ’s—Bride of Christ- Two become one (Mind and Spirit)
Live forever, Never Grow Old- Look around 33 years old- Age of Jesus.
Animals will be here during the Millennium Lion lays down with the Lamb
Never get sick, have perfect Peace and Joy Continuously forever.
Did Eve have Women births in the garden before Gen 4:1 ? It looks like she may have been giving birth before the disobedience. I would like to study this more and look foreword to any recourses on this. And thank you for your articles.
Reply Kent, the first mention of Eve having children comes only after the Fall. Their sex hormones were probably delayed decades until their minds could mature and catch up to their bodies.
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I too have been wondering about the specifics related to Adam and Eve. If, as you say, their minds were not fully mature (while in the garden) then why would God expose humans with “minds of a child” to Satan? You could argue this maturation and exposure happened right before they were thrown out of the garden–which could make sense. Though this is just a guess on my part I always imagined them as being fully aware and “active” in all behaviors (including sex) while in the garden….The question in my mind then is, if this is true, is the issue of “procreation” absent from humans who are in fact “immortal”? OR was God “planning” (a subjective term) on immortal humans actually having other immortal children/people? Perhaps an even more interesting question for future “immortal” humans: Will there be sex or not? Is a reality which no longer includes disease, limited resources, or pregnancy (possibly), and of course marriage also devoid of sex (physical pleasure by way of this activity)? Clearly immortal humans are “eating” in the future (for pleasure??). It’s certainly odd, at least to me, to conceive of a reality that accepts physical pleasures of one kind while limiting another (if specific limiting factors are thereby eliminated–and of course, everyone “loves” each other). Or perhaps we’ll all be “sexless” (eliminating that specific past pleasure-related activity entirely). But again, why eliminate a specific pleasureful activity when the problematic factors (in our reality) have been eliminated? I suppose we’ll find out either way 😉
Reply Zachary, I doubt Satan was God’s adversary or a troublemaker from day one but took years to come to a negative opinion about God enough to become the first rebel. Just as I think it took Adam and Eve years to hit puberty. If that’s right, then God did not subject yet-underdeveloped people to diabolical temptation. I think it took three decades for both Satan to finally rebel and for Adam and Eve to be mature enough to face such a test. Much like Yeshua was near 30 when he began his temptation under Satan and then at 30 began his ministry.
Reply I would agree that Satan was “probably” not a problem in the beginning. In what state Adam and Eve were created in (did they appear as adolescents? As fully grown adults with/without fully grown organs, etc..) is complete speculation–as that Bible doesn’t mention these things–but your thoughts are interesting.
I was speculating on the idea of “immortal” humans having the ability to “procreate” (prior to the fall). I had always imagined that they did not have this ability UNTIL the fall (and were having sex prior to that). But that too is speculation on my part. Then of course, this lead me to speculate about future “immortal” humans…The Bible states that they eat (ie: feast) at the wedding in heaven–I’m guessing this is done for the sole purpose of “pleasure” which is interesting to me. But I’m assuming “immortal” humans don’t need to eat (consume energy) to keep their bodies operating…but I could be incorrect on that as well as this is just additional speculation on my part.
Reply Zachary, we know Satan was not God’s adversary or a troublemaker from day one but took time to come to a negative opinion about God enough to become the first rebel (Eze 28:15), just as it probably took Adam and Eve years to hit puberty and desire sex, outside the garden. If that’s right, then God did not subject yet-underdeveloped people to diabolical temptation. I think it took three decades for both Satan to finally rebel and for Adam and Eve to be reach maturity for a test. Much like Yeshua was near 30 when he began his temptation under Satan and then at 30 began his ministry.
The definition of immortal is having zero dependencies to continue living, like air, food, water, heat. We’re going to a marriage supper of the lamb, so we will be eating for pleasure. There is no word on sex, but I doubt he’s taking sex away and not giving us something similar (but better) but clearly without reproduction.
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My understanding is. …
AM, anno mundi-yr of creation
AD, anno domini- yr of the Lord
Flood @ 1656 AM; = ~2269 BC
Crucifixion @ ~3957am /32ad
So ~3957 + current year= ~ years since creation….
ie: +2017ad=5974am
-6000= ~26
? 2043 ?
Bruce, 2043 is not a Sabbath year. He can return only in Sabbath years.
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Tim – I’ve very much enjoyed the article and all of the commentary. It’s most enlightening. Your argument that 2110 is the NLT (no later then) date for the Lord’s 2nd coming is quite convincing.
Question: Did Jesus himself narrow down the NLT date even more in His Parable of the Tenant Farmers (Matthew 21:33-44)? “The Master of a house [God] planted a vineyard…and leased it to tenant farmers [leaders and elders of His chosen people] and then went on a journey. And when the season of fruit drew near, he [God] sent his slaves [His profits] to the tenant farmers to collect his fruit [Holy peoples who want to worship and serve God]”. Matthew goes on to tell us that the tenant farmers repeatedly rejected, killed or stoned all of the servants [profits] that the Master [God] had sent. Continuing with 21:37 “So finally he [God] sent his son [Jesus] to them saying, “They will respect my son”. But when the tenant farmers saw the son, they said among themselves, “This is the heir. Come, let us kill him and have his inheritance!” and they seized him and threw him out of the vineyard and killed him” (the son, Jesus, was crucified).
For sake of brevity here, Jesus asks the chief priests and the elders (His audience) what the Master will do to the “those tenant farmers” when the Master himself arrives at the vineyard. The chief priests and elders respond with “He will destroy those evil men completely and lease the vineyard to other tenant farmers who will give him the fruits in their season.” Later, in verse 21:43, Jesus says “For this reason, I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you [the chief priests and the elders] and will be given to a people who produce its fruits.”
Was this not the last straw for the chief priests and elders of God’s chosen people? I see this as the end of the 4,000 year “test” of God’s chosen people to produce the fruits that God wants (the Holy peoples who want to worship and serve God). The priests and elders failed. And when did the test start? It started when Adam and Eve were evicted from God’s Kingdom (the Garden of Eden) sometime prior to the birth of Cain and Able.
The end of the 4,000 years should coincide with the destruction of the tenant farmers (the chief priests and elders of His chosen people). We know that Jerusalem was ransacked and the Holy Temple was destroyed in the year 70 A.D. The chief priests and elders had lost their power and control over the flock prior to that time, because at the time of the destruction of the Holy Temple, it was only a matter of survival for them, for Jesus knew that God was going to destroy them. So, the end of mankind’s “test” ended with the destruction of the chief priests and elders of God’s chosen people, which probably happened sometime prior to 70 A.D. when it was clear that they no longer had the power and control over God’s chosen people. They were killed and/or exiled, and ceased to exist, as Jesus told them would happen in the parable.
So, doing the math, the “test” of mankind ended prior to 70 A.D., and the eviction of Adam and Eve must have happened before they reached the age of 70. By the way, this leaves ample time for Cain and Able to mature, develop their properties, and begin making their expected sacrifices to God. It’s also interesting to note, that Adam and Eve may have had 6 ten year periods of bliss in the Garden of Eden, and a 7th year to deal with Satan’s temptation, to which they finally succumbed.
Bottom line, was Jesus telling us, in the parable of the Tenant Farmers, that the 4,000 year test of mankind ended with the destruction of the chief priests and elders of God’s chosen people, in or before the year 70 A.D. If so, then we have a new NLT date of 2070 for the Lord‘s second coming.
Am very much looking forward to your response. Thank you and God Bless you for all that you have shared with us.
Reply Hi Terry,
After much investigation into secret meanings or hidden prophecies in the parables of Jesus, I cannot find any in there clearly, including the Parable of the Tenant Farmers. The most common attempt at this would be with the Parable of the Fig Tree, but even this one is just teaching a very simple point of watching for what Jesus already said to happen to know when he is near, not anything hidden. As well, 2070 AD is not a Sabbath year which are the only years Jesus can return in.
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Thank you for your response! I don’t think there are any secret meanings or hidden prophecies in the Parable of the Tenant Farmers. Luke tells us that the chief Priests and elders knew that this parable was referring to them as the evil tenant farmers. Luke 20:19 “And the scribes and the chief priests sought to lay their hands on him at that same hour, and they were afraid of the people, for they knew that he had told this parable with reference to them.” Recall Matthew 21:43 “Jesus says “For this reason, I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you [the chief priests and the elders] and will be given to a people who produce its fruits.””
In essence, Jesus told the chief priests and elders directly that they would be stripped of their power after the Son of God is crucified. If the 4,000 years begins when Adam and Eve are evicted from the Garden of Eden, would it not end when the chief priests and elders of God‘s chosen people are stripped of their power and leadership of God’s chosen people is handed off to others? This would have happened, at the latest, in 70 AD when Jerusalem is ransacked by the Romans and the temple was destroyed. That would be the NLT (no later then) date of the Lord’s 2nd coming. As that is not a Sabbath year, we should expect the Lord to return in a Sabbath year prior to 70 AD.
Reply Terry, like I said, I don’t see Jesus’ parables as having secret meanings or hidden prophecies. I find those who do always come to wrong date-based conclusions just like happens with other types of invented prophecies that are not based on a strict, literal reading of given end time signs such as Jesus gave in Mt 24:14. I don’t see any “4000 years” in prophecy, only 6000 years. But I don’t disagree that most likely the end comes before 2070 AD, long before in fact!
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Wonderful article Tim. Thank you so much for all your long hours of study and putting into words those things which most of us have a problem with.
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Just one question: What Scripture references do you have to support the idea that Yeshua must return in a Sabbatical year? I keep hearing you mention it in your articles, but I have never seen any Scripture references. I am not taking issue with the idea, but for my own personal study, I would like the references for it. I have your book and if it is explained in there, just let me know where to find it. Thanks so much.
I have greatly enjoyed reading your articles over the years as they have challenged me to continue to search the scriptures and ask the Lord for direction in understanding His prophetic words.
Reply Marisa, for why Jesus returns in a Sabbath year see my article or my book.
Reply Have you ever considered looking at time and historical chronology from God’s way of reckoning time? In Jubilee cycles. He is the One that set up the 7-day, week and year cycles as well as the Jubilee cycle of 7 sets of 7 years. In Genesis 6:3 God states that He will not always strive with man, but sets the limit at 120 “years” or cycles of time. God reckons time in sevens and in jubilees. 120 jubilees is a little less than 6,000 years which would still go along with all the Scripture you cited in your article. The entire chronology of history has been cracked open by two verses in Scripture and a complete biblical calendar can be laid out that goes along with archeological findings such as tombstones, stellas and other ancient documents. The verses are 2Kings 19:29-30. It is referencing a sabbatical year followed by a jubilee year and the dates are 701 and 700BC , which are well-documented years by the Assyrians. These verses are referencing the time during the attack of the Assyrian army on King Hezekiah in 701BC. From this one can build the entire calendar of history including all the sabbatical and jubilee years since creation. According to this calendar, we are now in the 120th jubilee cycle from creation and 2020 will be the midpoint of this final jubilee cycle and 2044 will be the last year of the cycle. Setting up the calendar of history by jubilee cycles and sabbatical year cycles opens up a whole new understanding of Revelation and Daniel and other prophetic scriptures and one can see God’s patterns in history when we look at it from His point of reference – jubilee cycles. Just some food for thought. Blessings!
Reply Marisa, yes, considered that. But the 120 years best fits the time from Noah’s warning until the flood, not 120 jubilees, not just because a Jubilee is 49 years (7 x 7), not 50.
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Marisa,
Joseph Dumond, as I’m sure you know, has this all laid out in his books and articles. I believe that he has it figured out correctly and it seems to be irrefutable. I have his three books. There are also others who teach the same about the Jubilee years and Sabbatical years. Same as Tim teaches, actually. However, unlike Tim, Dumond and others do show that the 120 years is 120 Jubilee cycles given to mankind. Could have dual meaning, though.
Sandra, it’s easily refutable as a Jubilee is not 50 years but 49, 7 x 7, according to Scripture. Any suppositions Dumond makes based on 120 x 50 = 6000 are therefore in error.
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Just thinking…Jesus was with us for 30 or so years. Could the time he was on earth exclude counting those years as part of the 6000 years, since Jesus being with us at that time was, at least in a sense, God’s Kingdom on earth?
Reply Lew, Jesus represented the Kingdom on earth, but man and Satan were still ruling. The main reason the Jews rejected Jesus was because he did not overthrow the Romans and set up God’s kingdom like they expected of the Messiah.
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Wow…..another GREAT article Tim, thank you.
I never considered the 6000 year clock to start at the fall when Adam and Eve were banished from the Garden pursuant to Genesis 3:23, but it does make sense.
That Book of Jubilles reference makes it seem like they were young when banished (under 30) which makes more sense to me. It seems odd Eve would not have been with child for over 100 years before she had her first child (if I am interpreting this correctly).
Nevertheless, the Hosea passage excites me even more because this one is said without nearly as much uncertainty.
“After two days he will revive us; on the THIRD DAY he will restore us, that we may live in his presence.” Hosea 6:2
It seems Israel will be restored on the third day which to me must begin when the Millenium begins, and lasts for a day (1000 years). So when was Christ crucified? I read different answers but 32 AD seems the most popular. Add 2000 to 32 and you get 2032. Could this be the year, give or take a few for error, that the Millenial Kingdom begins? I believe so, and I also believe Tim thinks so too. Interesting.
Shabbat Shalom,
Paul
Paul, I think it will eventually be borne out that the crucifixion was in 30AD.
Reply I too think that Jesus was crucified in Around April 1, 30 AD which puts his birth around September 11, 3 BC.
Funny about these dates: Satan (Through his people servants) has now called April 1st April fools day (Jesus did not really rise; April fools) seeking to deceive people
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9/11 which is now associated with the Towers coming down.
Interesting!!
Blessings Tim, I have read your paper with interest, and wish to mention the types and anti-types of Scripture. I have found that EGW states many times the 6,000 years of sin. So, time for the plan of salvation lasts 6,000 years. The chronology in Genesis begins after the fall, so we must count from the fall, not from creation itself. EGW also wrote that the cross ended 4,000 years(from the fall), which on the Gregorian calendar is 31 AD. The rest is easy.
Reply Andrew, sin continues after the 6000 years into the Millennium, just not demonic sin, and so does the plan for salvation continue for a few millennia more. I don’t think the crucifixion happened in 31AD.
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Tim, I marvel at the level of understanding God has given you to share with His people. It gives a great sense of comfort and confidence, and I fully believe God desires that for His children. I feel so blessed to have connected with you and am so excited by the latest insights you’ve been sharing. You are very worthy of support and I pray more people will be able to get on board. God bless you always!
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Regardless as to when the creation of Adam was or the fall, we do know closely as to when Jesus died on the cross and was resurrected three days later. I believe that it was not just any day at all that this happened. It was a specific time on God’s calendar. Could it be possible that either his birth or his death was a marker of the 4000 years since Adams fall? I tend to believe that it was his death which by most calculations was around 30 to 33 AD. Of course 2000 years from that would be 2030-33 which corresponds closely with the date that Tim has come up with as well. Just food for thought.
I too appreciate your site so keep up the good work. I am sure that you have battered this around as well, so let me know what you think.
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I too accept the date of Jesus’ death as a milestone in the 6000 years. We know from Daniel’s prophecy of 69 weeks that the date of Jesus being accorded the title Messiah was Palm Sunday 6 April 32 AD. Adding 2000 years brings us to 2032AD, which I believe will be the date of the middle of the Tribulation period.
Hosea relates that “after two days He will raise and we will live in His sight in the third day”, which I take to mean that after 2000 years the Jews will be restored and live in peace in His sight. The starting point for this is Monday 7 April 32 AD when Jesus cursed the fig tree, symbol of Israel, because it failed to yield fruit.
I see 2030AD as the beginning of Daniel’s 70th Week and from first learning this over 12 years ago I have never changed my mind despite receiving many further revelations inspired from the Word.
Reply Philip, 2030 could not be the start of the 70th week because it is a Sabbath year, or a year before the start of a Sabbath cycle that the 70 weeks all align on. 6.5 years later is Fall, 2036, and as expected, you are not in a Sabbath year. Fall 2037 is the Sabbath year, making it a potential candidate for Jesus’ return.
As well, 32 AD is nowhere near a Sabbath year and cannot be the year Yeshua was crucified. He was crucified the year after the 69th week when he proclaimed a Sabbath year at the start of his ministry in the Nazareth synagogue.
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Thanks so much for posting this site Tim. I agree with almost everything you have here. First let me state, I didn’t come to the Millennial Day Theory after hearing from someone else, the Lord has revealed this to me as I humbly sought after HIM. Now I see many people have had this theory, but not taught in churches.
Here is a big clue from the Book of Jubilee’s – ‘Thereof, Adam died, and all his sons buried him in the land of his creation, and he was the first to be buried in the earth. And he lacked seventy years of one thousand years; for one thousand years are as one day in the testimony of the heavens and therefore was it written concerning the tree of knowledge: ‘On the day that ye eat thereof ye shall die.’ For this reason he did not complete the years of this day; for he died during it.”
So this is the reason why Adam through Noah all the patriarchs lived close to 1000 years, but only JESUS can strive that full millennial with GOD hence 7th Day.
-I have done the chronology also and do have a different starting date. I have 3907 B.C. as Adams creation and if Book of Jubillee’s is right about 7 years after, this would put it at 2100 as when the return would be. Again, we don’t know for sure, but anytime between now and 2100 is a good claim. It sure does change your life to know this doesn’t it???
Again, great site Tim, keep up the good work…if you’re interested, check out my Youtube channel where I add music to Bible film.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8pw5nMGO6PLyXGn99Q825g
Rob Skiba does a wonderful YouTube video going over the OT timeline specifically focusing on Adam, Abraham & Nimrod. I can’t recall the exact video, but he interviewed a lady that follows the same line of thinking that Tim points out, and she made a very compelling case for the year 2103.
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“In the 7th year in the 2nd month on the 17th day the serpent came unto Eve” – The Book of Jubilees.
So the year 2,000 plus 7yrs 2mths and 17days and then add Daniel’s 70th week and it comes to 2014 which is past? Guess that wasn’t it! (Book of Jubilees)
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Laurence has correctly noted that per Jubilees, Satan came to Eve after 7 years. What is interesting to me is that Genesis 7:11 indicates that the flood of Noah came on an anniversary date of the fall, if the book of Jubilees is correct.
“…in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month…”.
Thoughts on this? Coincidence?
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