Just who is "Babylon the Great" of Revelation 17-18? Popular answers are the Vatican or Catholic Church, Rome ("the city on seven hills"), Jerusalem, and Iraq where the literal city Babylon is found. These answers may seem to be adequate when you focus on only a few verses or traits of Mystery Babylon. However, when you consider all 60 characteristics of Daughter Babylon or Babylon the Great found throughout Bible prophecy, only one answer fits the many verses literally without forcing: America the Great. This article was written by the late R. A. Coombes.
Note: Although I host and recommend Rick Coombes article here, it does not mean I agree with all of it. Many of the "60 proofs" are on the vague side and, in my opinion, forced, while others are great, high quality proofs I never heard before his book. For me quantity is less important that quality. Please disregard the lower quality proofs and focus on the detailed, specific quality proofs that only fit America (such as the mother country, deep sea water port, economy, military, etc.) to get the rare benefit of this article. — Tim
Much of this article's material has been adapted from chapter 4 of Volume 2 of "America, The Babylon" but since publication of the book in 2002 which featured 57 reasons, this article provides an added 3 new reasons and composed in May of 2006.
There are some prophecy "experts" who have proposed the theory that Iraq and the ancient archaeological site of Babylon is the location for the "Mystery Babylon" of Prophecy. That theory considers the ancient prophecies of Revelation chapters 17 and 18 primarily. Some of those experts also refer to other prophecies of Isaiah 13, 14, 18, 47, and Jeremiah 50 and 51. The theoretical lines of reasoning revolve around the central notion that the prophecies must be literal and applicable only to the ancient location site of Babylon with its current nationality being Iraq. That is the main line of proof for such a view.
The site of ancient Babylon can be the only literal rendering of this prophecy according to those theorists. They proudly claim that they are the only, holy LITERAL interpreters of the text. To take the text LITERALLY one must assume then, that ancient Babylon is the LITERAL Babylon of the prophecies written by the Old and New Testament authors. Such a view assumes way too much, particularly in the translation work. Is it possible that there could be a different and more literal view based on a sharper rendering of the original Hebrew and Greek texts? Yes. Why?
This researcher has done 16 years of extensive research into such theories. The results of my research indicate that the "Iraq is Mystery Babylon" theory is incorrect and invalid. Why? It is really very simple. Follow the exact rendering of the original Hebrew and Greek texts for themselves and you will find numerous character traits for the future nation of Mystery Babylon. Yes, I did use the term "nation" because again, what seems to be merely a city being described is not just a city. Most literally, the prophecies not only refer to a city but to cities, PLURAL. Also the prophecies refer to farming and the farmers of Babylon. There are no farms in a city.
There are numerous character traits listed for this city/state/nation that is referred to as either "Babylon" or "Mystery Babylon". These character traits serve as identifying markers that give us the clues as to the identity of such a city/nation. Those traits must all match perfectly to one identity. We cannot ignore some and select others. These traits are numerous and 60 of those traits clearly can not be identified with Iraq. The following list shows what traits do NOT match up with Iraq.
The 60 Character Traits of Mystery Babylon
#1. The Jewish Population Issue:
Jeremiah 50:8, 25; Jeremiah 51: 6, 45; Isaiah 48:20 and also Revelation 18:4.
These are all references to Jewish people living in this future "Mystery Babylon" in the ancient Babylon, from the 6th Century BC till well into the early Church Age, the majority of the Jewish population lived in ancient Babylon. It was the home to most of the world’s Jews even in the time of Christ. Today, the largest population of Jewish people is found in the United States. The next two nations combined, Israel (home to the 2nd largest Jewish population) and Russia (home to the 3rd largest Jewish population) do not equal the population of Jewish people living in America. Iraq on the other hand has only a relative handful of Jews living within its borders. Some estimate the Jewish population in Iraq at perhaps 10,000. That is not very many people, particularly in regards to the population of most other nations hosting the Jewish remnant. This character trait of being the lead host for Jewry is not indicative that Iraq today fulfills the prophecies of "mystery Babylon." Therefore, this trait alone disqualifies the theory of "Iraq = Mystery" Babylon.
But, for those who are hard-headed, let us press on with the other 56 reasons why Iraq can NOT be Mystery Babylon based upon a literal rendering of the texts.
#2. The chief city of Mystery Babylon is a "DEEPWATER PORT CITY"!!!
Revelation 18: 17-19. This passage tells us that merchant ships are standing off the shoreline of Babylon. These ships have either just unloaded in the port city of Mystery Babylon, or are waiting to dock when the fiery judgment hits. These ship captains, crew and passengers are witnesses to the destruction. Question: Why would these folks be standing on deck of merchant ships unless there were port facilities in this city? Answer: The city is a port city. In this day and age, especially by virtue of the list of commodities that are traded in "Mystery Babylon," (see Revelation 18:11-13) there must be at least one deepwater port in the nation of Mystery Babylon. One thing can be noted regard to modern day port facilities. In order for Babylon to have the kind of merchandise (described in Revelation 18:11-13) coming by ships then those ships must be going to and from a DEEPWATER SEA- PORT CITY. Why? For today's ships to bring such merchandise requires them to be large commercial freighters with DEEP drawing drafts. These ships require deep-water port facilities to dock and load/unload because their hulls are so deep. They are BIG ships. [Note Reason #2 seems to be like our #57 reason, but there are significant differences between them.]
Now here is the problem for the Iraq=Babylon theorists: Iraq has no deepwater seaport!!! That's right, there is no DEEPWater port facility in all of Iraq. During GulfWar2, there were and still are small freighters coming into the little town harbor of Basra. In a recent United States CIA publication on Iraq, the CIA noted that a significant problem with sea transport was the lack of deepwater shipping facilities. Harbor draft measurements up the mouth of the Euphrates river to Basra are around the eight foot (that's 8 feet) level. That makes it hard to even get big fishing boats into the harbor. At best, draft levels further out only range to less than 20 feet.
There is no way that the typical international commercial freighters could dock in Basra or anywhere else in Iraq's very short shoreline because they would easily run aground and become stuck in the shallow, muddy waters. Only small ships carrying small quantities of goods can dock in Basra. Those large ore-carrying freighters, or big cargo container ships carrying cars or trucks are simply too big to be able to dock at the shallow harbor of Basra or any other little harbor on Iraq's shoreline. Those super-large oil tankers can not get near to the small snippet of coastline that Iraq has because it is so shallow. The oil from Iraq is therefore either piped to Jordan, or is piped out for miles into the Persian Gulf into the deeper waters where these oil tankers won’t run aground.
But that is not all that shoots the Literalists balloon out from underneath them on this issue of deepwater port facilities.
According to the "Literalists," Ancient Babylon, we are told must be the only literal interpretation. However, ancient Babylon is 400+ miles from the Persian Gulf and over 350 miles from Basra. The LITERAL description found in Revelation 18: 17-19 shows these huge ships will be within visual distance of the city skyline and will witness her destruction up close and personal. Being 400 miles away is just a bit too far to be able to see any kind of destruction of a city, even if it were from nuclear bombs. The curvature of the earth is just a bit too much at 400 miles even with flat terrain to be able to see what has transpired that far away. Now although this is in itself a fatal flaw exposed in the "Iraq = Mystery Babylon" theory it is just one of many theoretical flaws. One thing it really points to though is how NOT Literal is the concept that Iraq is Mystery Babylon.
#3. It is the KEY Commercial Nation and Engine of Wealth for the World’s Economy
Isaiah 47:15. Revelation 17:2; Revelation 18: 3, 9, 11-13, 15, 16, 17-19, 22, 23, & 19:2. In these passages we see just what relationship Babylon enjoys with the rest of the world. Here she is clearly the critical factor in the world economy. When she goes down in flames…what is the lament? "What was like unto this mega city? Who will buy our goods now that she is gone"? The answer is that no one will be able to buy the products of the world’s merchants. What does this tell us??? It should be a clear warning indicator that whoever this nation is… the rest of the world depends on her for buying their merchandise. With her destruction, there is no one left to buy these goods. That tells us just how vital this nation is and it means this nation is the engine of wealth for the world. Now, Iraq does NOT now nor can it fit that role…at least in the next 30 years, unless the rest of the world is wiped out first. Once again, we see a character trait that Iraq does not exemplify in anyway, shape or form.
#4-#21. It is the principal Commodities Trading Center
These are all commodities in a list that are the chief trading products as cited in Rev 18:11-13, for which the merchants and sailors later lament that no one will buy these products anymore. This includes Gold, Silver and Copper. Now on these items alone… there is more Gold traded in New York City on the COMEX in one day than in all the rest of the world combined !!! The same is true for Silver and Copper and Crude Oil. In fact, the volume of trade is so heavy that in one day alone there is more gold traded than had been traded in all of human history up until 1974 when gold trading was allowed on a futures contractual basis. That is how massive and dominant the USA and NYC are in the commodities trading markets. Revelation 18: 12 & 13, lists many other commodities as well, including grains and livestock. Now, Chicago is the Host City for such record trading in that arena. It too is a port city on as it sits on Lake Michigan. The fact of the matter: Iraq has no economic power… it has no ability to be the economic engine of wealth for the whole world. If Iraq vanished from the face of the earth today it would not even cause a ripple in the world’s economy.
However, if the USA vanished today it would decimate the world’s economy and bankrupt every nation on earth, instantly. In essence, there would be no one left to buy the foreigner’s goods. That’s because no one else wants to import goods. They only want to export not import. The USA is the big promoter of international trade and promotes imports plus free trade. Iraq plays no such role in the world economy. As a nation, Iraq is simply too poor.
#22. A Leading center of imports and consumption
Revelation 18: 11, 17-19. These passages tell us the economic picture of this nation. Note that this nation is not only involved in the trade of these products, but that she is also the leading importer… because when she is destroyed…"no one buys"… their merchandise anymore. The folks doing the lamenting are the international merchants who export goods to this mystery Babylon. Therefore, she is the leading import nation. She is therefore, by virtue of her importer status, the chief consuming nation. This also is not a description of Iraq. Iraq has no such status in the world today, tomorrow or the foreseeable future! It is this aspect which negates the Iraq theory…because the contention is that we are living in the "last days" and the fulfillment of the end-times prophecies are at hand. IF this is true, and I assert that it indeed is true, then how can Iraq match these character traits in so short a span of time??? Answer: she can’t. Iraq is not the nation being described. There is only one nation that fits these traits, and more. That nation is the United States of America.
#23. She is also a manufacturing nation
Revelation 18: 22. This passage tells us manufacturing is no longer found in her after the judgment. This tells us that she was a manufacturing nation prior to her destruction. Iraq is not a nation noted for manufacturing.
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#24. Center for Merchandising and Marketing
Revelation 18: 3, 23; 19:2. Her merchants were the mega-merchants of the earth. This again does not fit the character traits of Iraq. It does, however, fit the picture of America.
#25. Known as the World’s "policeman"
Jeremiah 50:23 gives us a Hebrew idiom, "hammer of the whole earth." It had been used at one time to describe the way the empires of Persia, Greece and Rome had applied their power to keep the world at peace. Today, after the decline and fall of the Iron Curtain, major news media refer to America as the world’s policeman, in the same kind of role that the Hebrew idiom references. Iraq does not fit this role.
#26. Known for "showing the flag" or "gunboat diplomacy"
Isaiah 18:1-2 Here we have two Hebrew idioms for the idea of a nation’s navy showing its power. The phrase in verse 1 relates to the idea of "air travel." The first phrase of verse 2…"that sends ambassadors by the sea," another Hebrew idiom for when ancient naval powers would send warships to "show the flag" of friendship or threaten war to unfriendly nations or cities. Today, one nation engages in such actions: The USA sends out naval units usually as aircraft carrier battle groups. The notion of verse 1 with air travel, combined with verse 2 and the naval aspect, thus combines to send a notion of naval and air power… or suggesting aircraft carriers!!!
#27. Noted for its elegant, luxurious, refined and rich lifestyles
Isaiah 47: 1-8; Revelation 17: 4-5; 18: 2 –24. This does not match up with Iraq, as it is not capable of reaching such levels of wealthy living standards in our lifetime.
#28. Extremely Wealthy
Jeremiah 51:13… Revelation 18: 2-19
#29. Sensual, Materialistic lifestyle
Isaiah 47: 8; Revelation 18:14
#30. The Highest Living Standards
Isaiah 47:1 Revelation 18: 14
#31. Intoxicating high-society lifestyle as a world example to emulate
Revelation 17:2; Revelation 18: 3, 14, 23.
#32. Elegant, Sumptuous lifestyle
Revelation 18: 14, 23.
#33. Noted for its bright gaudy-colored lights and nightlife with round the-clock partying.
Revelation 18:14. Note the words "dainty" and "goodly." Dainty is a word in Greek that connotes to 24-hour parties, and is connoted with orgies and debauchery. The word for "goodly" is the Greek word "lampra" from which we get the English word for lamp. In this case it carries the idea of bright, gaudy-colored lights, with idea of "glitzy" lights. Could it be the bright lights of Broadway, Times Square or perhaps even Las Vegas???
#34. Noted for its Drugs and Drug use
Isaiah 47: 9, 12. Revelation 18:23 Do we even need to comment on this one??? I think not…the text clearly speaks for itself on this one.
#35. Noted for exporting its culture abroad:
Revelation 18:14, 22
#36. Noted for being Wasteful and Extravagant
Rev 18: 3, 7, 9, 14, 15; implied in Rev 17: 2.
#37. Massive Population
Rev. 18:15. And Revelation 17: 1, 15.
#38. A land of immigrants
Jeremiah 50:16; 51:13; Rev. 17:1, 15.
#39. Unique and awe-inspiring from its birth right up to its demise
Isa. 18: 2
#40. A remarkably different heritage
#41. Respected-envied and yet HATED by the whole world also
#43. Powerful and Oppressive
#44. Land of Rebels in its birth
Jeremiah 51: 1; Isaiah 47: 9.
#45. Cosmopolitan and Urban
#46. A Land of Agriculture
Jeremiah 50: 16
#47. An International City
Revelation 17: 18; 18:15
#48. Architecture, Buildings and Skyline
#49. Land of Many Waters (fresh waters)
Jeremiah 51:13, 36, 42; Isa 18:1,2
#50. Where the world’s leaders "stream" to meet
Jer. 51:44; Rev. 17:18
#51. Last of the Super Powers
Jeremiah 50:12; Rev 17:18, 19; and in the Revelation 18:18 passage "what city is like the ‘mega’ city"…
#52. No Fear of Invasion
Isaiah 47:5, 8; Revelation 18: 7
#53. Defenses reach up to Outer Space
#54. Occult aspects, especially within the governmental leadership
Isaiah 47: 9, 12,13.
#55. Alliances/Treaties allowing physical military bases of operation for the Satanic forces.
Revelation 18: 2.
#56. Its national symbol
Rev 17. Robed woman with a cup-like container in one hand that smells like natural gas odors inside the container…and the woman is connected to water and immigration…and is considered to be a mother-figure of spiritual prostitution…a.k.a. Ishtar, the mother of ‘literal’ and ‘physical’ prostitutes within religious worship centers. That is what the Babylonian goddess Ishtar was--the promoter of physical prostitution… salvation by sex… have sex with a temple priest or priestess and you are purified from sin. And of course, you pay a ‘gift offering’ for this salvation activity. Ishtar was never a physical ‘mother’… but rather a ‘madam’ over the priestesses. Ishtar was never married and never had a child but she was called "mother" of the temple priestesses. Now having said all of this… I am referring to the Statue of Liberty.
In my book, "America, The Babylon" Vol. 1, I explain the meticulous research involved that shows that the Statue of Liberty is, in fact, the brainchild of the sculptor Bartholdi. Later in Volume 2, you will find even more data on this subject. I would like to note at this point that it was Bartholdi's idea to create the image of the goddess Liberty of Rome. You will see later on in Volume 2 just how the Romans had in fact borrowed the Babylonian goddess.
Babylonians first worshiped Ishtar the goddess of Babylon and the Romans also adopted her but they changed the name to Libertas in Latin, (Liberty, in English). So that, the Statue of Liberty is actually a pagan idol image of Ishtar--the woman pictured in Revelation 17. If you don’t believe it…look at Revelation 17: 4 & 5. Note the word for abomination. The word used here is "bdelugma" and its root word is "bdeoh." Strong’s Code # 946 … " A foul thing, detestable, usually of idols … the root word means to "break wind", or to "pass gas"… indicating the odor smells like natural gas.
Speaking of natural gas …did you know that the torch-cup of the Statue of Liberty burns an eternal flame…fueled by smelly natural gas? Also of course, the Statue is referred to as the Mother of Exiles … an immigrant connection…just as the woman of Rev. 17: 1, 15 is also connected to immigrants. So too was Ishtar. She was the goddess of personal freedom … and an encouragement to immigrants.
#57 Iraq is radioactive
Iraq is now extremely "radioactive" because of America's use of ammunition that uses depleted uranium, the same basic component used for nuclear weapons, only in lesser strength in and of itself. Rifle bullets and artillery shells were packed with small amounts of radioactive, depleted uranium. Once fired, the shells and bullets spread small doses of radio-activity throughout much of Iraq and especially in hot spots like ancient Babylon. Each bullet or shell, was thought to be seemingly harmless in terms of radioactivity. What was not anticipated was the voluminous use of such radioactive materials scattered across the battlefields of Iraq. Such voluminous use has created large quantities of low-level radioactivity that in volume has created a dangerous atmosphere and environment for virtually all of Iraq.
The radioactive dust has found its way into the soil and water supplies, contaminating every-thing it comes into contact with. The radioactivity levels are high enough that Iraq is experiencing contamination levels much like that of a "nuclear dirty-bomb" in terms of the after-effects. Not only are Iraqi's dying from exposure but so are US and allied soldiers.
Uranium is a very reactive metal, easily oxidising to U3O8 and UO2.
A single 120mm Abrams tank DU shell contains 3kg of U-238 (111MBq of activity) and there is 275g (10.1MBq) in a 30mm GAU-8A A-10 Thunderbolt cannon shell. These ‘penetrators’ explode on impact, with up to 80% conversion to tiny long-lived glassy beads of Uranium Oxide from these ‘hot particles’ can travel for very large distances, even hundreds of miles, under the influence of wind, fire and are easily resuspended. The smaller particles can easily pass through the lung into the blood and lymphatic system.
Depleted Uranium has a half-life of 4.5 BILLION YEARS! Radiation levels in Iraq are between 1,000 and 1,900 times above normal. That's 1,000x to 1,900x more than normal.
Would you want to build the world's capital city on top of that kind of radiation rating with a half life of 4.5 Billion years of radioactivity??? We think not. So does the Illuminati. Here's further technical information on depleted uranium.
"On impact, uranium penetrators burn fiercely to give an aerosol of sub micron diameter oxide particles which are largely insoluble and remain in the environment for many years. There is considerable public and scientific concern that these radioactive particles may remain suspended for long periods, or may become resuspended and are therefore available for inhalation by non combatants at some distance from the point of impact. Little research seems to have been carried out on the distance traveled by the uranium aerosols. The military maintain that the uranium remains near the point of impact, and the Royal Society report (2002) also states that the material does not travel more than some tens of metres. On the other hand, measurements of uranium in local populations in Kosovo some nine months after the use of uranium weapons all tested positive for depleted uranium in urine (Priest 2004) and The United Nations (UNEP) found uranium particles in air filters in Bosnia some years after its use. The question of the dispersion of uranium aerosols from the battlefield is of significant legal interest, since if a radioactive weapon resulted in the general contamination of the public in the country of deployment or elsewhere, the weapon would be classifiable as one of indiscriminate effect. There is now conceded to be no safe level of exposure to radiation. Further, there are major scientific questions over the risk models used to assess the health effects of uranium particle exposure from weapons use. In addition there is evidence of ill health in many of those exposed to uranium particles from Gulf veterans to the population of Iraq."
"Terry Jemison at the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs stated in August 2004 that over 518,000 Gulf-era veterans (14-year period) are now on medical disability, and that 7,039 were wounded on the battlefield in that same period. Over 500,000 U.S. veterans are homeless."
* In some studies of soldiers who had normal babies before the war, 67 percent of the post-war babies are born with severe birth defects - missing brains, eyes, organs, legs and arms, and blood diseases.
* In southern Iraq, scientists are reporting five times higher levels of gamma radiation in the air, which increases the radioactive body burden daily of inhabitants. In fact, Iraq, Yugoslavia and Afghanistan are uninhabitable.
* Cancer starts with one alpha particle under the right conditions. One gram of DU is the size of a period in this sentence and releases 12,000 alpha particles per second.
The above depleted uranium information can be found at the links below.
From Gulf War 1 usage of depleted uranium, the Babylon region had one of the highest ratings of radioactivity levels as late as 1997.
Here's a link to a film on DU in Iraq.
#58 The Messianic Covenant To Abraham Included Babylonia and Babylon
The promises made to Abraham regarding a Promised Land were for Abraham and his descendants and the lands were far more extensive than ever used by Israel up until this point in time.
Often overlooked by many Bible Prophecy “experts” are the prophecies concerning the future borders of Israel when Jesus Christ returns and establishes new borders for Israel’s Millennial Kingdom that will finally fulfill the promises made to Abraham and his descendants.
Israel’s future borders will be extended eastward to encompass much of what today is called Iraq. The area will include all of the old Hittite and Chaldean Empire. Joshua 1:4 notes that it will include “ALL” of the land, which means the ancient site of Babylon and all of Babylonia are to be part of the new Messianic Israel. Scholars now believe that the Chaldeans originally were the Hittites. Not only is the promise made to Abraham in Genesis 15:18-20 [and the Hittite empire is mentioned (which included Babylon) ] but again in Deuteronomy 1:7 to Moses and again to Joshua in Deuteronomy 11:24.
These Messianic prophecies come into direct conflict with the identity theory, which proposes that Iraq or ancient Babylon is the Mystery Babylon of Bible Prophecy. The conflict arises because the Babylon prophecies indicate that the land of Babylon and all of her cities and the land will remain uninhabited forever.
It should also be noted that there are some anthropologists who have strong linguistic and archaeological evidence to support their claims that the Hittites were in fact the Chaldeans with Hititites begin just a different linguistic name for the same people. Such information again, only underscores the assertion that Babylon and Babylonia of Mesopotamia are to be a part of Jesus Christ's Messianic Kingdom and not buried underwater forever as the Mystery Babylon prophecies of Jeremiah and Revelation 18 indicate because those prophecies refer to a different, end-time super-power that exists outside of the Middle East.
We simply can't have the Millenial Kingdom of Christ and the Israeli boundaries including the lands of Mystery Babylon which are to remain uninhabited forever and under water. Keep in mind that all of the millennial kingdom will be inhabited and prosperous. Clearly, we can not have a destroyed Mystery Babylon being part of Christ's Millennial Kingdom.
If Mystery Babylon is Iraq and ancient Babylon then it cannot be part of the Messianic Kingdom of Jesus Christ because it cannot be both occupied and unoccupied at the same time. The prophecies dealing with Babylon's judgment tell us that this future Babylon will never be inhabited again and will be under water. If, Babylon of Iraq is the "Mystery Babylon" then we have a clear-cut contradiction for which the Bible never contradicts itself. The contradiction is a result of misunderstandings, misapplications, and misinterpretations of the scriptural passages to Iraq as Mystery Babylon when clearly, there are 60 reasons - why Iraq can NOT be Mystery Babylon. Thus, we have no contradiction once we rule out Iraq and ancient Babylon as the future Babylon of prophecy.
#59 America Conquered Iraq and Babylon in 2003 and retains strategic control of that land and will retain that control most likely until America, the Babylon is destroyed in Divine Judgment as the Mystery Babylon.
In March of 2003, The United States of America launched an invasion and military conquest of Iraq. America captured the ancient archaeological site of Babylon. America retains strategic control of that region as well as the actual nation of Iraq which was the originally Babylonia of Nebuchadnezzar's day. Iraq and the ancient ruins of Babylon are under the strategic control of American military forces with a puppet government that appears to be splitting Iraq into three separate regions. There is now talk of being forced to realize three separate regional entities that will no doubt become "protectorates" of the United States, much like Guam became a protectorate after World War 2 or Puerto Rico after the Spanish American War. During the war, America trashed the ancient archaeological site when it established "Camp Babylon." There have been reports that the United States military spirited away from Babylon and Iraq's Museum of Antiquities, key occult artifacts that may well be the fulfillment of the Isaiah 47: 12-13:
12. - Stand now with thine enchantments, and with the multitude of thy sorceries, wherein thou hast laboured from thy youth; if so be thou shalt be able to profit, if so be thou mayest prevail.
13. - Thou art wearied in the multitude of thy counsels. Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save thee from these things that shall come upon thee.
Let's not forget also Zechariah 5: 5-11, as we hear of stories in which the US Military and Black Operations Intelligence Groups such as the CIA, DIA and other covert intelligence units may have spirited away certain occult artifacts and put them aboard giant cargo planes and air-shipped them to the United States to join other occult symbols such as The Statue of Liberty and the Goddess of Freedom atop the US Capitol Dome. Do you recall that just after the US took Baghdad, the Iraqi Museum of ancient artifacts was vandalized by thieves shortly after US soldiers on guard were pulled out? Reports indicated that before the general public began looting the museum, special ops forces dressed in black with ski masks entered the building and raided the locked vaults containing secret occult artifacts of ancient Babylon. These have never been returned but most of the remaining looted items have been located and either returned or in the process of return.
We also understand that on Easter Sunday of 2006, an occult ceremony was conducted in secret by US intelligence agents in conjunction with a US military guard and waiting nearby giant air cargo transport planes. This secret operation reportedly involved occult ceremonialism and the removal of key on-site artifacts. Let's see if the Zechariah passage might just fit with such stories.
Zechariah 5: 5-11:
5 - Then the angel that talked with me went forth, and said unto me, Lift up now thine eyes, and see what is this that goeth forth.
6 - And I said, What is it? And he said, This is an ephah that goeth forth. He said moreover, This is their resemblance through all the earth.
7 - And, behold, there was lifted up a talent of lead: and this is a woman that sitteth in the midst of the ephah.
8 - And he said, This is wickedness. And he cast it into the midst of the ephah; and he cast the weight of lead upon the mouth thereof.
9 - Then lifted I up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came out two women, and the wind was in their wings; for they had wings like the wings of a stork: and they lifted up the ephah between the earth and the heaven.
10 - Then said I to the angel that talked with me, Whither do these bear the ephah?
11 - And he said unto me, To build it an house in the land of Shinar: and it shall be established, and set there upon her own base.
Regardless of such stories, the fact that America retains strategic control of the land means that from a prophetic standpoint, America IS Babylon. But if you don't wish to believe even this, consider ...
THE MOST LITERAL OF ALL
#60. A Populated city named Babylon on a Deepwater Port entryway to New York City
Revelation 17:18; & 18: 11-19… Did you know that when ships coming in to the harbor facilities of New York City make their final approach to the Harbor channel shipping lanes…they have to come in from the south… heading due North straight for a spot on Long Island called … BABYLON !!! That is right. The city of Babylon, New York features a tall water tower that ship captains use to navigate directly into the harbor channel. They come within view of Babylon before turning west to head into the ports of New York City. It is from this vantage point that I believe Revelation 18: 17-19 takes place.
From this vantage point…on the deck of a ship…one could quite easily read the letters of the name Babylon on the city water tower!!! Talk about literal?? Now that is indeed literal. This is something that theorists who promote the Iraq = Babylon idea can’t match, because ancient Babylon is not a deepwater seaport. It's so far away from the ocean that it can not possibly fit the description of Revelation 18: 17-19… in no way. But the USA can… and especially its chief city… a seaport named NYC/Babylon. Also, Babylon on Long Island derived its name because immigrant Jews founded it in 1872. The group’s rabbis chose the name almost prophetically, because they believed it would be home to a new diaspora.
Why would they think this? Because rabbinical opinions had held that ancient Babylon’s power would be moved… Zechariah 5: 5-11… and Isaiah 18:1 tells us what direction it would be moving. Isaiah 18:1 says that the spirit of Babylon would move west of the most outermost boundaries of ancient Babylon’s western-most border, beyond the rivers of Ethiopia and Egypt. [That is what is meant by the KJV term "Ethiopia"] By virtue of Isaiah’s point of observation being from Jerusalem…then the direction of movement was westward from Jerusalem…beyond the most outer of Babylon’s oldest boundaries… meaning… the occultic power that fueled Babylon would move and take up residence elsewhere in the end times.
Thus, scripture itself negates the "Iraq = Babylon" theory. Why will our "expert" scholars not accept the scriptural passages on this? Is it due to Pride? Is it due to ignorance? However, it seems to me that their hypocrisy shows. Clearly, the only logical interpretation from scripture is that it literally cannot be Iraq because the text tells us it moved. Isaiah 18:1-7 and Zechariah 5:5-11.
Early rabbinical writers commented on this well before the time of Christ. They made note that the "mystical woman of Babylon" had moved out of the Babylonian Empire and had been taken westward beyond the ancient boundaries of Babylonia. Those most westward boundaries were considered to be Egypt and Ethiopia. The woman was taken west of those two countries. They noted that the woman would not be found in its old location of Mesopotamia for the fulfillment of the final prophecies, which would be fulfilled at the coming of Messiah.
These rabbinical commentators believed that a future Babylon that was prophesied by Isaiah and Jeremiah would be located west of Egypt and Ethiopia. They believed the woman of Zechariah 5 was headed west of those boundaries and hence out of uttermost regions of Babylonia/Shinar/Chaldea. Yes, they believed she was being taken west of Egypt and Ethiopia in that basket. Why? Note that the observer's vantage point was already in the land of Shinar.
Shinar is yet another term for the ancient nation of Babylonia or Chaldea. Therefore we must pay attention to that scriptural direction and realize that it must be a new nation that carries the old Babylonian character traits. You'll note that the verse is indicating it is a different Shinar than the Chaldean or Babylonian land called Shinar. How do we know that? Isaiah 18:1-2 tells us from the observer's vantage point of Jerusalem that the phrase beyond the rivers of Ethiopia is an ancient idiomatic reference to the farthest borders of Babylon at the time of Cush, father of Nimrod. Nimrod inherited that land from his father and so that Egypt and Ethiopia were the extreme western border of Babylonia or Shinar or Chaldea.
Now, Isaiah is telling us that a future Babylon would exist at the time of the coming of Messiah and it would be located beyond the old Babylonian Empirical boundaries of Egypt and Ethiopia, which was the Cush empire that Nimrod inherited. It too was Shinar. Zechariah is then referencing that the woman is being flown out of Babylonia/Chaldea/Shinar to a new land of Shinar. This confirms what the prophet Isaiah had written earlier concerning a future Babylon being located west of the old Babylon.
There is reportedly a team of archaeological experts preparing to publish the results of many years of work in which they claim to have documentation that the Babylonians occupied North America and Mexico as colonies as early as around 3,000 BC. If this were true then it may further highlight and underscore the reason for these statements made by the prophets and the rabbinical commentaries.
We do know this…that the nation being referred to is none other than … … America, The Babylon.
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1: This was written in 2006.
2: Your stats are funded by the same entity you claim to despise.
3: Canada was literally conceived from colonies of France and Britain. Its treatment of the Indians was identical to those practiced by American colonists and pretending otherwise makes you no different.
As an aside, there is a reason why scripture states ‘Babylon is fallen, is fallen. The reason being is that the Bible speaks of two Babylons, the original and the daughter. The daughter is America today.Reply
I recall Tim had mentioned the two Babylons too. After the daughter fall before the GT (Rev 14:8) , the mother fall at the 7th bowl judgement (Rev 16:19).Reply
This is a pretty revealing article showing how strong a position Russia (and China) is in the geo-political world while USA/NATO are just posturing and uttering empty words that just raises Russia’s anger toward the USA.
I have been reading over Revelation 17-19 recently. I am captivated by the subject of Babylon The Harlot, the Beast she rides, Beast #2, the Dragon, and the value of 666.
I read another article comparing OT and NT scripture of Jerusalem to Revelation scripture regarding Babylon. I have always thought Babylon would be the US, but I have been puzzled about the blood of the prophets / saints. Unless it is something that hasn’t happened yet, or something we don’t fully see yet (human trafficking, etc).
I pray that God would allow me, or at least someone, the ability to see further into the identities of these parties – the Dragon, the Beasts, Babylon, and give insight to calculate 666 whenever that might be. I don’t know if it would be good to have such information / wisdom, as that’s probably an instant target. But it would be pretty valuable to know assuming the knower would be able to use this information wisely.
Bryan, the “blood of the saints found in Babylon” is explained here.Reply
Do you think something like the US providing weaponry to other nations, who are them overrun by groups who use the weaponry to slaughter innocents would count?Reply
I seem to be a bit late to the party .. Good stuff.. I love the comments and all the watchmen who are spreading the word. I too have been trying to awaken the masses to what is coming. People seem to prefer to remain willfully ignorant and it breaks my heart. Others seem to believe that Trump will return to the white house in August and all the luciferian psychopaths running this joint will be executed. I do not subscribe to that line of thinking, Nor do I ask people to pray for America. I know what this country is (mystery babylon) and asking GOD to save her is like asking HIM to go back on His word, which He cannot do. Even if trump returns and the swamp is magically drained, who is going to ask GOD back in? They (the former OF, BY, and FOR the people government in DC) have spent decades kicking GOD out of here! They are all luciferian – IMHO – and their god (little g) believes he can out create THE CREATOR by using technology.. (transhumanism). People can not wrap their minds around what is truly going on right now. It is the epitome of evil. The fence riders have waited too long if they have taken the vaccine. GOD sometimes will put us in a position where we only have two choices – good or bad. He just wants us to come to HIM – why won’t we?Reply
Will we even be able to leave the US? Vaccine passports are being talked about. Many vaccines have aborted fetal cells in them…..I am not sure that Christians will be able to leave the US….I am not sure if vaccines are the mark of the beast but I find it interesting after covid how people are being told they cannot have “normal “ life again unless they get them.Reply
Amanda, God broke Peter out of prison, so if you are a person of faith wanting to leave and pray God will get you out.Reply
There are several verses that speak of Babylon being a system that has spanned many, many years. Rev. 17:9-11 says that the Woman who sits on the Beast sits on 7 kingdoms of which 5 are fallen. Rev. 18:23,24 says that the Woman with the merchants of Babylon deceived all nations and in her was found the blood of prophets and of saints, and of all that have been slain upon the earth.
These few verses deny that Babylon of Revelation refers to any one person or nation or city, but rather an evil system that has infiltrated the whole planet to keep people from having a genuine relationship with Christ.Reply
George, you seem to be confusing Babylon (the Whore) with the Beast that Babylon rides. Babylon is not a system spanning seven kingdoms; that’s the Beast. Babylon is a city of a single nation in history, not seven. Also it’s not about a vague “genuine relationship with Christ” (what does that actually mean anyway in practice?). It’s about pride and influencing the whole world to reject God and sin. That’s what Babylon does that brings such harsh judgment. Hope this helps!Reply
Tim. I was called five years ago to be a watchman of warning to America, which I have done, writing a free book I give out and contacting every pastor and person possible of our nations soon coming fall. I too, like other watchmen, independently were shown America was Mystery Babylon. My revelation came by a complete prophetic word given to me instantaneously. I call it a download, which I immediately wrote down verbatim. I had to do a bible word search to understand what was shown me. I notice that your scoffers have not received the baptism in the Holy Spirit. These distractors are using their carnal minds to try and understand the Scriptures. Like myself, I have found a few other end time remnant believers of the truth, raised up for this, that have received The gift of dreams and words of knowledge from The Holy Spirit of Truth. None of us had any previous theological training nor bibical training. We get our revelations from God directly. Of course since I was supernaturally called, I have spent thousands of hours reading scripture, researching biblical commentaries, and writing articles. I would love to have a discussion with you about the remnant I am learning God has been preparing for this very end time moment.Reply
I think that Jesus is not saying to physically flee into the mountains o r not come down from the roof top. I think he means go high mentally and spiritually closer to GOD and not worry about your physical assets
Paul, but he didn’t say stay on the rooftop; he said don’t stop on the way down to go inside to get anything but flee immediately, same as those in the field not to go back to get a cloak. Also, what he says makes perfect sense literally so there is no justification to allegorize it to say something else, which Christians do way too cavilierly to the Biblical text.Reply
Like Noah and Lot’s family you mean?
Or Revelation 3:10 (Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth.)
Or Luke 21:36 (Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen, and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man.”)Reply
For approximately 1 1/2 years, from approximately 5 1/2 through 4 years ago, God showed me that America is New Babylon and would be destroyed. He showed me sometimes 3-4 times in the same day. He also gave me a dream to show me He’s coming back soon. I sat up and screamed bc it was so powerful. I had only witnessed to my cousin before this, but have now witnessed to around 4,000 people since this bc He had given me the Holy Spirit. I know it’s coming! We have to witness to as many people as possible before it does. Please tell everyone you can! You can also leave tracks around so people will pick them up and read them. Pray to be filled with the Holy Spirit and He gives the urgency, power, opportunities to reach people who need to be reached.Reply
I was called by the Lord about five years ago to be a watchman of warning to America. I was inspired to write a book four years ago titled, “America: A Captured Nation. The Fall of America and Failure of its Churches.” In the book I wrote about our nations fall. I wrote of events to come that took several years to unfold. One example was Jeffery Epstein of whom I had never heard. Yet, what I was inspired to write, became headline news a few years later. In Nov. 2018, I received my only complete prophetic word. I simply wrote down the words verbatim as given to me. Then I had to search scripture for key words and was led to Rev. 18 and Jeremiah 50 and 51. I then knew my prophetic word was telling that America was Mystery Babylon, the military and economic part of the end time Babylonian system. I wrote a lengthy article which I posted on my website.
I have found and am in contact with three other watchman/woman, one in US and one in Australia that have in dreams or words of knowledge, been shown the samething. I would love to talk to you.
I came to this website trying to do more research because I have a feeling that with all the craziness in 2020, it is not going to end well for evangelical christians if Trump is re-elected. I live in California and I will be voting for Trump. living in a very liberal state, I fear that these far left extremist will retaliate against the people who they blame for electing their public enemy #1, DJT. They are constantly referring to his “base” as the evangelical christians. Could the indiscriminate slaughter and persecution of christians fulfill this prophesy since. Does martyrdom = sainthood? . I do know that the orthodox rabbis say that those who died in the holocaust regardless of their sins are automatically considered tzadikim.Reply
As far as trade & money – deep water ports – etc – my thought now is China. They own the world monetarily… They’ve also created man-made islands. I think we need to start thinking of China & their role in the End Times.Reply
Kaycee, China has no mother country like the USA and its symbol is not an eagle as with the US whose mother country Great Britain has the lion as its symbol.Reply
Tim, is it possible that Mystery Babylon is specifically New York City? It fits almost perfectly every description above while much of America doesn’t necessarily fit. It obviously represents our country. It is an island that could be easily devastated and uninhabitable, and under water. Just a thought.Reply
Lynn no the full Babylon prophecy is not referring to just the identifying city but the entire nation behind it that rules the world economically, militarily, and culturally. When Russia attacks they’re not just nuking NYC but the whole nation, yes? That’s what Revelation 18 depicts through details that yes mainly fit the nation’s biggest most recognizable city!Reply
Revelation 17 and 18 give the description and destruction of a city. New York City does not fit this description. Some Scholars believe it is the city of Rome and some do not. At this time, we do not know what city it is.
However, the city must neet the following requirements as described in Revelation.
According to the Bible Mystery Babylon is the following:
1. A city.
2. Situated upon seven hills.
3. Located off a sea or an ocean.
4. Does world wide commerce.
5. Associated with a religion.
6. Persecutes followers of Jesus Christ with beheading as a standard.
7. Has had 5 previous historical empires.
America is not Mystery Babylon.Reply
John, you just listed characteristics of the Beast which is distinct from Babylon the Great that has three key characteristics from Jeremiah, Daniel and Revelation: the greatest military and economic nation trading with the world including a deep seawater port for its main city (NYC), having an identifiable mother nation (UK; few have one) and having the eagle symbol while the country it is most bound to (UK) has a lion symbol. No other nation fits.Reply
According to the Bible Mystery Babylon is the following:
1. A city.
2. Situated upon seven hills.
3. Located off a sea or an ocean.
4. Does world wide commerce.
5. Associated with a religion.
6. Persecutes followers of Jesus Christ with beheading as a standard.
7. Has had 5 previous historical empires.
America is not Mystery Babylon.Reply
I would also point out (not that it is relevant, although it could possibly be) that the statue of liberty has a crown of seven “horns” or horn-like spikes on her head.Reply
Everything I have read in your book and also here in your blog backs the idea that America really is “Mystery Babylon” and I do agree with your position and the different proofs provided that support it. Among the many reasons given to support why the US is Mystery Babylon there is one verse in scripture though that I couldn’t find any explanation for:
Revelation 17:4 – The woman was dressed in purple and scarlet, and was glittering with gold, precious stones and pearls. She held a golden cup in her hand, filled with abominable things and the filth of her adulteries.
I did search through your blog and your book, but I couldn’t find how the colors scarlet and purple can describe, or be applied to, America.
(I also tried to check in the forum, but for some reason I cannot access it anymore, when I log in all the threads are shown as private and I get a notice that I don’t have sufficient privilege to access the page. )
Could you provide us with some explanation for these colors? Whenever I discuss this topic about the US being the future Babylon with other believers, that is the one question I get asked that I have not been able to respond to. Of course you can imagine that they are using this part of scripture to support of their view that Babylon is the Vatican.
In closing, I just want to add that I really appreciate having access to all your articles here, they have been a big inspiration for many in depth Bible studies and readings, both personal and together with my Christian friends. I am eagerly awaiting your next book and pray that God will continue to bless you, your family and your work.Reply
James, thanks, good question. I do not know how scarlet and purple apply. The late Rick Coombes in his book wrote,
“In the original planning, the Statue of Liberty was designed in the initial stages to be in color. She was to be wearing the royal robes of scarlet and purple. It became obvious that for reasons of monetary purposes the statue must be made from copper. The use of copper precluded the use of any color schemes. Thus the original plans for scarlet and purple robes were abandoned. However, the original models were in color and match the Revelation 17: 4 description.”
Another page I read said the Greek for scarlet and purple could also mean red and blue which fits the red, white and blue flag (somehow). If you want, let’s pray for a more conclusive answer to this question of yours.Reply
Red is a form of scarlet. Blue a form of purple. Combined with the white of the pearls, red, white, and blue.Reply
Agree that Statue of Liberty represents the whore (USA) but why then wouldn’t the dragon be China, since that symbol represents them?Reply
Allen, because that symbol is defined in the Bible already (Rev 12:9). =)Reply
the question is answered in scripture….
What is America’s national bird?
What other nation that is an eagle, has a space station?
Obadiah 1 ; 4 reads.. “though thou exalt thyself as the eagle and though thou
set thy nest among the stars, thence will I bring thee down.
saith the lord.
I think this says it all.Reply
Nomad, did you have another point # or verse in mind that you saw an error in? Isaiah 13:22 exists and is about the hyenas, “Hyenas will cry in its towers,and jackals in the pleasant palaces; its time is close at hand and its days will not be prolonged”Reply
#34 I picked up this interesting little tidbit of information on a radio show called Phil’s gang.
“Of the fortune 500 companies ten are pharmaceutical companies, those ten companies
make more profit than all the other four hundred ninety companies combined”, no
wonder the Lord calls them “thy merchants were the great men of the earth.”
I have done an exhaustive study on our modern day drug problem from a Biblical perspective. Scroll down to ‘Pharmakia of ‘Revelation 18:23’
Or catch up with me on YouTube.
Another witness: Stewart C. Best has also written extensively on why America is Babylon, with over 100 parameters that America meets.
His Youtube channel is “angelfall923” and includes a video on Babylon-America.
And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: …
The mother of harlots = The RCC
The daughter of babylon = The USA
Financial = The City of London
The Three Corporations that rule the World
SonOfZion, after an earthquake, a city does not break down into a religion, another city and a nation :(.Reply
Does anyone know when we should leave and where we should go? I want out of this country but my husband does not want to leave.Reply
This is again Katrina writing to you, Annie, since Tim passed away last year.
Tim’s book “Know the future” goes in detail on the timeline of events to happen in the Endtimes.
I also updated at the beginning of 2023 one of Tim’s articles that gives additional insight to answer your question. You find this on the website.
Here is the link:
As to your wish to leave your country very soon: Don’t do anything drastic. God will lead you personally on what to do. There are so many things that my heart wants to express to you, but I will limit myself here to this scripture:
2 Timothy 1:7 ‘For God has not given us a spirit of fear but of power, love, and of a sound mind.’
Don’t go forward in fear. God is with you. God loves you.
Tim. I feel like this is why most people elected trump for President. They think he will make america great again. By destroying the NWO. I live in the US. Liberals complain that parents can die if not for abortion. So would you sacrifice yourself so your kid can live? I’m not a trump supporter nor a Democrat. Some people want trump to be President for life. If we’re going to ban abortions we need birth control and sex ed. What do you think? What do you think america should do.Reply
I was deployed to southern Iraq in 2010. Basrah and Um Qasar. The name of the river in Iraq that you talk about is the Shatt Al-arab.Reply
If Babylon is America, then what happens to Canada? Does it get nuked along with them? I live in Montreal so i am curious to know.Reply
Jethro, America the Babylon is taken out because it is the superpower in the way of the Antichrist conquering and ruling the world. This is why the harlot is pictured riding the beast and the beast’s ten horns hating the woman and eating her flesh. This sets the beast free. Canada won’t be targeted but like all nations will suffer economic catastrophe when all the dollars they hold become worthless and the economic center of the world is vaporized. So it will be like you were nuked but without the fire if you stay in Canada and don’t move to Judea.Reply
When i said nuked along with them i meant that since Canada is literally next to the U.S surely they will suffer some effect of the (many) nuclear bomb that is going to land on America but i understand what you are saying.
BTW, sorry for the many question, i am only trying to learn as i can much as i can while i’ m still young (19) . And i’ m praying for your son recovery too.
If anyone lives near the border of canada or mexico for that matter i would be prepared to flee too as if it were part of babylon usaReply
Tim, do you believe Americans need to go and live in Judea?
I am confused
Helen, no, Americans do not “need to go and live in Judea.” Before America’s destruction, saints of all nations will hear the offer (Mt 24:14) to leave home and have God’s protection from Wormwood in Judea (Joel 2:31-32=Rev 6:12-8:13).Reply
Thanks, Tim! I’m just making sure I understand that we will be given a warning before the country is destroyed?Reply
Yes, Annie, warnings will be given.
This is Katrina, Tim’s former wife answering you. Tim died last year from Colon cancer. Please read also my answer to your other question. Blessings from Germany, Katrina.
Read 2012 edition of Know the Future over the years you change your views as you see and hear more of the mysteries open up to you, which is good. Concerning mystery Babylon, what if this city or port isn’t built yet or is in our future and the mystery is not yet reveal or maybe it is being built?
John, thank you for recognizing that I am teachable and do change my opinion when presented with better information; I strive to be that before God. What you ask is possible since of course the Bible never says “The US is Babylon the Great” to make it undeniable. However, America does fit very well and God keeps confirming to me that 2026-2030 is the end of this age (without me wanting this or asking for it; I’d rather be wrong, frankly!). That means there is no time for another, better fit for Babylon the Great to emerge. Hope this helps.Reply
Even Demetri Duduman was told by an angel that the USA was the babylon described in Jer. 51.Reply
I’ve believed for sometime that America is that Mystery “Daughter” A late pastor by the name of S. Franklin Logdsdon in the 1960s, was the first Christian that I know of that wrote about America being Babylon, it didn’t go over well with many people. Why do they deny the Scriptures, isn’t that Apostasy, never us all ways someone else.Reply
I agree. America is mystery Babylon. Note that there are two women who appear in Zec 5, two Babylons. The 10 kings hate the woman Babylon and conspire to destroy her with fire and give their power to antichrist (Rev 17). Therefore Babylon America is destroyed before the Antichrist takes power. Early in the 70th week. This is how the eighth king or kingdom takes power from the seventh.Reply
I’m a devout Christian and want the modern world, including America, to repent from its excessive sin, like sexy clothes, fortification, etc.
Should a devout American Christian leave America due to it being the Mystery Babylon?Reply
Sarah, leaving America now would be a hard proposition and there is no need to leave as the fire won’t come until the warning to leave comes.Reply
Thank you Tim,
I still think you have the Ephraim/Manasseh issue reversed. Ephraim is Great Britain as it is described in prophecy by Abraham/Moses as a Company of Nations….anyway I digress.
Another issue that I have with the USA being Babylon is Revelation 18:24 (I’m not sure if you addressed it elsewhere, I haven’t read all the comments) In her was found the blood of prophets and of God’s holy people, of all who have been slaughtered on the earth.” When in any time in history has America done wholesale slaughter to God’s people and killed prophets? On the contrary, it has sent out the most missionaries (besides Britain) and given out the most bibles to other nations.
The only way to fulfill this for America is if it begins to happen in the near future. It’s possible that persecution could begin in this country against Christians, but aside from that I don’t see that fitting the bill for the USA up to the current climate of events.
Thanks again for the articles….Reply
Mauricio, A company of nations can also be translated “a company of states” which the US is. You’ve heard of the State of Israel right? America has 50 states/Israels. Compared to Manasseh/UK the US is the younger but greater, just like Jacob said about Ephraim vs. Manasseh (Gen 48:19). But hey, it’s OK if you think the opposite on this non-salvation question. I’ve looked at it extensively and it all depends on which aspects of the prophecy you focus on and which narrow definition/translation of words you insist on. As they say, YMMV: your mileage may vary!
I answer that “blood of the prophets” objection with a very specific literal explanation from Jesus’ own mouth on this odd blood-guilt principle in my main article on America Babylon. By Jesus’ own words, the scenario you describe is not necessary to find innocent/prophet blood in the USA!Reply
There are at least 800 FEMA camps in America and 30,000 guillotines. Many will be martyred.
There are video clips that attest to this.
Matt 24 states that we will go through the tribulation, as he tells his disciples that he will appear in the clouds afterward.
There is no secret rapture. It was promoted in 1730 by John Nelson Darby.
What vids? That’s man claiming that. I’m sorry you don’t believe in the rapture, but it will happen, before the Antichrist is revealed…Reply
Please re-read 2 Thessalonians 2: 1-3
Christ cannot come back until after this occurs, not before!
Both Ireneous, a disciple of Polykarp and Paul, and Victorinious, the two most important early church fathers, taught the rapture.Reply
Am unconvinced that the US is “greater” than the UK. The UK was the first industrialised nation, developed and exported common law (the most advanced legal system) and parliamentary democracy (together with Christianity) across the globe, had the largest empire of all time, is home to the global language and the greatest civilisation of all time – the Commonwealth. Approximately 54% of all technology in use in the world today is British (according to Japanese researchers). The US appeared later and simply applied the British model, developed over centuries, to a large fertile landmass that could support a large population, waiting out the world wars in order to consolidate its position. I can’t see anything great about the United States, other than it has had the largest economy and military for a few decades. Unlike Britain the US isn’t a civilisation, but is more anomalous.Reply
I see all the connections that tie Mystery Babylon to the USA. But how does it tie in to the USA also being one of the lost ten tribes of Israel?? Most proponents of this theory point out that Manassah might be the USA because of the prophecies Abraham/Moses gave to Joseph Ephraim and Manassah. Ephraim, of course being the United Kingdom of old and Mannassah/America having the “13” qualities about it’s origins. Anyway, does the judgement of America imply that it’s part of Jacob’s trouble? I’m just trying to reconcile both theories: American is Babylon and at the same time Mannassah????? Confusing
Mauricio, when talking about where they came from, the US is (mainly) Ephraim (the younger son of Joseph, but greater), the UK is (mainly) Manasseh (the elder son of Joseph, but lesser like the US is younger than the UK but greater). When talking about end time prophetic identities, the US is Daughter Babylon the Great (Jer 50:42=Rev 17:5=Rev 18:2), and the UK is Mother Babylon (Jer 50:12). “The time of EVEN Jacob’s Trouble” is the wrath of God on all nations, including Jacob.Reply
Interesting and informative. I myself go back and forth on this especially as I cannot grasp how the USA was/is “drunk with the blood of the Saints…….” Or does this apply not to ‘mystery’ Babylon, but ‘ Babylon the great’ who is? I find it very confusing.
Many thanks Tim .
Thank you. Yes that verse applies to Babylon the Great, the subject of both Revelation 17 and 18.
The explanation is found in objection 6 of my article: http://escapeallthesethings.com/america-mystery-babylon-great/Reply
Aborted babies go to heaven to grow up with God as their parent, say maybe they are the saints. Saints are just saved sinners. America has legally aborted babies in the millions since 1973, more in number than those killed in all the world’s warsReply
Terri, that’s what many Christians hope or believe. However no verse backs up this idea.
If you think it through, this concept is very sick and makes God’s plan for humanity terrible. It wiould mean that it’s better to abort every child immediately so they go straight to Heaven rather than let them live and use their free will with the risk of rejecting God sometime in their life.
Thankfully, God has a better plan than that. We get to keep our free will, have a life with experience and choice and still with the great likelihood of entering the Kingdom of God: http://escapeallthesethings.com/3-resurrectionsReply
It’s coming. Just look at what bill California will try to pass in the summer of 2018 …Reply
In USA how many babies are aborted every day? God said that he knew you from your mother’s womb. The harlot drinks the blood of saints, the most innocent, babies.Reply
There’s a broad saying across the US Military Branch’s that you are most likely familiar with, “Ignorance is No Excuse”!!! Which I presume holds true in heaven also!!! I say that “Food-for-thought” in light of the following….
The Bible as you know it… mattering not which Version you ascribe to… is nought but a TRANSLITERATION of Ancient text’s written in Ancient Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek!!!
Many word’s through out modern day readings are poorly transliterated and thus leaving reading and understanding the scriptures oftentimes difficult and in other instances impossible to come to the correct understanding!!!
That said…. the word/phrase transliterated “Blood of the saints” is an extremely poor transliteration/rendering of the text that would be far more accurately transliterated “BLOOD OF THE INNOCENT”!!!!
And thus the verse you ALLUDE TO, Revelation 17:6 – “6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints”… should be understood thus “6 And I saw the woman (A Nation) drunken with the blood of the INNOCENT”….
That understood… then it’s EASY to conclude that THIS NATION, guilty of the BLOOD of well over 60,000,000 Unborn (Slaughtered in the Womb)…
Add also the BLOOD of multitudes of Native Indians, Slave Trade Men, Women and Children, the plethora that have been SLAUGHTERED across the Middle East in the name of the spread of Democracy…. ET AL…..
And it becomes CLEAR how AMERICA is GUILTY of RIVERS OF BLOOD of the INNOCENT!!!
This lady (Linked Video) has some enlightening material on the subject!!!
You may want to skip to/begin at 13:10 in the video…..
The Greek word used is Hagion, and it does not seem you are correct. Saint seems like the best translation, certainly not “innocent”:
40 hágios – properly, different (unlike), other (“otherness”), holy; for the believer, 40 (hágios) means “likeness of nature with the Lord” because “different from the world.”
The fundamental (core) meaning of 40 (hágios) is “different” – thus a temple in the 1st century was hagios (“holy”) because different from other buildings (Wm. Barclay). In the NT, 40 /hágios (“holy”) has the “technical” meaning “different from the world” because “like the Lord.”
[40 (hágios) implies something “set apart” and therefore “different (distinguished/distinct)” – i.e. “other,” because special to the Lord.]Reply
The arrogance of the article is further justification for the US being the most hated country of all time. If any nation were to be bankrupted by the US disappearing it would be only because the US is the most indebted nation of all time. London is a bigger financial centre than New York and China is a larger manufacturer. Plus the EU28 had a larger economy. The US isn’t the wealthiest nation per capita, doesn’t have the highest living standards in the world and only a small proportion of the population is extremely wealthy. The country isn’t held up as an example to emulate because it has the most violent society in the Western world and is completely lacking in culture: the cultural wealth of the world is centred on Europe and Asia. The US scores poorly in education, infrastructure, life expectancy, crime, healthcare, public transportation, the environment, and food and water quality. It isn’t unique – other New World countries born of European expansionism such as Canada have a better quality of life, rank higher in the ‘Best Countries’ report and rank far higher on the democracy index – plus Canada wasn’t conceived in bloodshed in order to achieve this.Reply