Why are people believing in a flat Earth again? What does the Bible teach: flat Earth or a globe? What is the verse in Bible prophecy that requires a globe earth and what does the flat Earth resurgence teach us about ourselves?
The Unlikely Return of Flat Earth Thinking
Just like any other Bible or science expert, I've recently been getting lots of inquiries about the flat Earth Theory. I've heard:
- "The Bible teaches a flat Earth; why don't you?"
- "I thought you took the Bible literally?"
- Warnings that I "better study flat Earth and get out of deception." (Wrongly assuming that I must not have investigated flat Earth if I don't promote it.)
- "Are you going to change your book cover since it depicts the earth as a globe?"
Let's dig in.
Examples of Flat Earth Beliefs
To bring you up to speed on this topic, here is a list of just some of the things flat-earthers teach. Note that not all flat-earthers agree on everything here, but everything listed below are arguments I have heard from flat-earthers:
- "The Earth is a flat round disk and not a sphere, just like the Bible teaches."
- "Look at the horizon: it's flat! It would be curved if we were on a globe."
- "Antarctica is not the 'south pole'; it is the ice wall around the edges keeping the oceans in."
- "The Sun revolves around the Earth (above it), much nearer than the accepted 93 million miles away."
- "Night can still happen because the Sun's light works like a flashlight illuminating only one part of the disk at once."
- "Gravity is a lie. It is the Earth moving upward that pulls us down."
- "Photos of a round Earth from space are almost all photo-shopped composites."
- "A great conspiracy of NASA, other space agencies, astronauts, pilots and others is responsible for faking evidence of a globe and hiding the true (flat) nature of the Earth from us."
At this point you're either laughing hysterically or your head is spinning as you try to remember the other reasons (not contradicted above) for why you know (...think...believe...or is it assume?) the Earth to be a ball.
Don't bother. The flat-earthers have a rebuttal for every single proof you can think of...and (literally) hundreds more that you cannot. Basically, they say everything you have been taught is false and every proof you accepted—that you did not prove yourself—was fabricated by the conspiracy.
In other words, flat-earthers think you should trust only what your own eyes see, not photos, videos, pseudo-science and other things created by outside untrustworthy sources...and you, too, will arrive at the inescapable conclusion of a flat Earth.
Now, I have to confess: I feel a little guilty about how I reacted to this topic when it first started "assaulting" my inbox in 2015 (as I viewed it at the time). Maybe you will be able to relate to the following:
Like so many, my first response to being asked to comment on the idea that the Earth is flat and not a globe was "wait...what?" Complete disbelief. They had to be kidding.
As I watched my first flat Earth video on YouTube, I thought, "This person is insane." A few more videos and I saw it was not one crazy person; it was more like a mass hysteria.
When I shared what I was hearing with my wife, I could not help but mock the perceived "stupidity" of the people believing this. I feel bad about that now. Holding judgmental attitudes hinders us from emulating the compassion and kindness that Jesus taught and exemplified. It's perhaps hardest to be kind to people we disagree with especially when we perceive that belief coming from stupidity. Yet, we are to obey Jesus' law of love even when, or especially when, it is against everything we feel.
To be clear, I have never said or posted anything disparaging to or against flat-earthers. That's not my approach with those I disagree with.
For example, although I don't agree with pretrib rapturists, I do not put them down for their view. I understand it is not a reflection of their character or intelligence that they believe what I know to be unscriptural. For many, the pretrib rapture view is the only view they have ever heard. Others fear accepting a "heretical view" as they are told a post-trib rapture doctrine is. You see, among the many reasons people ascribe to a doctrine, that they can prove it from clear literal passages of the Bible is seldom at the top of the list.
Despite my restraint with saying anything to flat-earthers, I still hold myself accountable for my mocking attitude towards them. We are to bring every thought captive (2Co 10:5). Attitudes lead to thoughts which lead to actions which if sin, lead to death. If we are not actively looking for and working on areas where we are not acting in love, but more like reacting, then we cannot call Jesus "lord" because that makes him the one whose commands you obey, not the one whose commands you forget and flaunt.
What's Your "Flat Earth" Belief?
If you had the same judgmental reaction I did when you heard what "crazy" flat-earthers believe, consider: we all have our version of the flat Earth belief. Or if you don't yet, one day you will because we're all wired with built-in biases that cloud our thinking. Everyone is susceptible to deception (Rev 12:9) including believing provably false or irrational ideas.
For example, for a short time around 1999, I entertained the idea that the 400-year-old KJV Bible was a perfect translation of the Bible, inspired and preserved by God, and the only one English-speakers should use. This is so-called "KJV-Onlyism." It seems silly now given how clearly illogical it is to think a translation can ever be more perfect than the sources it is based on. But I believed it anyway.
Why? Because of my biases. I had tendencies towards idealism and minimalism. Therefore the idea of a single perfect English Bible version that could be relied on (no need to own and consult Bibles or learn any Hebrew or Greek) held great appeal to me. Oh that it were that simple and the verse saying God "has preserved his Word" (Ps 12:7) could have anything to do with Bible translations. But it's not.
The End In 2026? It's Now Possible
Since learning in 2001 that Yeshua must return in a Sabbath year, I've had to rule out three Sabbath year cycle windows for the final 7 years (2003-2009, 2010-2016, 2017-2023). With the next window (2024-2030) less than 7 years away, I'm ready to share why I believe, based on the real end time sign of Mt 24:14, that this can be the one. If it is, the "birth pains" (WW3 + Wormwood, Lk 21:10-11) would hit near its middle in 2026 with Yeshua returning in 2030. Find out what's changed to convince me about 2026 and what you can do about it...
Note: If you are reading this and happen to believe in KJV-Onlyism, obviously as a past advocate of it, again, I don't judge you. I only judge the theory. For the people, I have sympathy that they are stuck using a 400-year-old, “Ye Olde English” version when many more accurate and easier-to-understand modern English versions are available—all because the KJV-Only theory has a hold on them.
Psychology explains why people believe irrational things like KJV-Onlyism and flat-earthism. Humans are not the rational, logical creatures we assume. We all have cognitive biases, or mental short-cuts taken by our mind, that cause us to deviate from rational thinking. This article talks about the common cognitive biases that lead people to believe conspiracy theories like flat-earthism.
My point is that when we feel like ridiculing or lashing out at people who we view to hold crazy ideas, we're forgetting that we are also guilty of holding ideas that are outright false or at least viewed as false by others. This means that when we judge or attack others over their (in our opinion) "false" beliefs, we're being self-righteous. We are certain that we are totally correct or morally superior to the person we are judging as "crazy." Just something to think about as a believer the next time you hear someone share an odd belief of theirs.
Why "Flat Earth" Is Spreading Again Now
While the cognitive biases explain why flat-earthism is believed at all, they do not explain why this belief is spreading again. Think about it: "flat-earther" used to mean a person who believes or advocates an outlandish, discredited theory. Why is it now no longer just a euphemism, but a literal thing again?
I have my own answer for that: YouTube!
Over the last few years, I have noticed a trend in what people email me to ask my opinion about. It used to be exclusively text pages, perhaps with impressive charts, and usually arguing some classic prophecy theory I have heard for years. So I began writing articles to cover all the popular theories like the Parable of the Fig Tree as a prophecy of a final generation. Or the hidden meanings in the Parable of the Ten Virgins.
Just when I thought I was going to run out of things to write about, the subjects of the questions changed. I had more and more requests to look at YouTube videos of usually brand new theories. The videos would have lots of timeline charts, eclipse charts, constellations, graphs, planetary orbits and other graphics with voice over by the theory creator or proponent. Yet for all their graphics, the theories were the same old doomsday or rapture date-setting kind that always come and go and always fail. I could not understand why people were paying any attention to them.
Finally I began to realize how making a video of a theory could supercharge it. A video version could transform a weak and easy-to-ignore prophecy theory into something persuasive and even viral. All it has to be is complicated and developed enough for a person to wonder if it might be right ("If this is just 10% right, then...!") They then will share it with someone else to ask for help on whether "there is anything to this?"
In this way, false theories get spread around by email and social media even if the sender does not fully believe or endorse the theory! They may even share it with someone else to give them a laugh, not realizing that the receiver is not entertained, but is intrigued or even terrified by it! (Has that ever happened to you?)
YouTube has been a blessing in allowing anyone to publish a video for free and for others to view it for free. Want to see a song's music video? It's on YouTube (I love that). On the downside, false ideas also are easier to find and spread freely. People don't even need a camera to produce a teaching video. They can just do a PowerPoint of charts, pictures, and text and narrate it with their own voice. If they put up enough amazing coincidences and arguments that no single viewer will be able to explain away or answer (like the "200 proofs of a flat earth") and the video will leave viewers wondering if this person is onto something...
By the way, if a theory needs dozens or hundreds of proofs to argue its case, that should be a red flag. I've seen dozens of proofs for a pretrib rapture and for the failed Blood Moons and Shemitah theories. The post-trib rapture only needs a few plain clear literal passages to prove it and with the spherical earth you can choose any one of even just ten strong proofs if you like.
The "Flat Earth Bible Passages"
OK, so now you know how we got here on this topic. But you still want to know is it true or not, right? Especially as a Bible believer and reader you're probably a bit confused.
You see, in my research on this topic, I was surprised that Bible literalists have been the main proponents of flat-earthism. In the 1800's people like Samuel Rowbotham used a combination of the Bible and experiments to argue a flat Earth. You see, there are many passages in the Bible that can be harnessed to argue that "the Bible has been teaching us a flat earth all along and we ignored it because of our spherical earth brain-washing since childhood."
It's a shame the Bible is used this way, but also nothing new. Christians have supported several wrong causes because of misuse of the Bible. Christians in history have cited the Bible for their positions pro-slavery, against interracial marriage and against woman's rights.
This happened because they took passages out of their grammatical context or did not comprehend the historical context and audience to which they were given. Plus, they ignored or twisted the other biblical passages that contradicted their view.
Flat-earthers citing the Bible as proof of a flat Earth are committing the same errors. They take many passages out of grammatical or historical context:
- They take poetic passages (Psalm 75:3) literally even though they are in the poetic genre. Psalms is, after all, a book of songs. Plus, interpreting the Bible literally does not mean you can ignore the clues that non-literal figures of speech are being used. It means we take things as literally as the context guides us to.
- They misunderstand what other passages like Rev 7:1 mean when they speak of the "four corners of the earth." These meant the four cardinal directions: N, S, E and W. If you travel north long enough, you reach the north pole and cannot travel north anymore. You must turn south.
- When they say the Bible teaches geocentrism because it says the sun rises and sets and moves (Ecc 1:5) they forget that people who believe the earth goes around the Sun also use "incorrect" geocentric language when they refer to "sunrise" and "sunset." Observational figures of speech prove little about what people actually believe.
The Bible Refers To A Spherical Earth
Also, flat-earthism requires you to ignore or twist the passages which speak of the Earth as round (just like the shadow of the earth cast on the moon during eclipses):
- Isaiah 40:21-22 - "[God] sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers."
- Proverbs 8:27-28 (ESV) - "When he established the heavens, I was there; when he drew a circle on the face of the deep when he made firm the skies above, when he established the fountains of the deep..."
Note that there is no word in Biblical Hebrew that literally means sphere or globe. The word khoog is literally means circle or compass. Yet when you consider that an omnipresent God is watching the earth from all points chose this term instead of "disk" or "plane" "of the earth" it's telling. The earth looks round from all points for God. Given that, this circle term is the most accurate description of the globe.
- Job 26:7 (ESV) - "He stretches out the north over the void and hangs the earth on nothing."
- Luke 17:30, 34-36 - The day Jesus comes back he refers to as both "that day" and "that night." Also the people he raptures are described as doing both night-time (sleep) and and daytime activities (making food).
Luke 17:30, 34-36 — On that day when the Son of Man is revealed...
34 I tell you, in that night there will be two in one bed. One will be taken and the other left.
35 There will be two women grinding together. One will be taken and the other left.”
36 Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left..."
The prophetic passage in Luke speaking of people being in day and night simultaneously when Jesus returns requires just a little clear thinking to see why it tells us the earth is not only round (like the passages above do) but also must be a round sphere and not a round flat disk.
Why Even The "Sun As A Flashlight" Would Not Explain Night
The flat-earthers claim that day and night can happen on a flat disk if the sun worked like a flashlight. However, even if the sun operated that way, nothing would stop the light flashing on one part of the disk from being visible from the other. We see this same diffusion of light at dawn and dusk. The sun may be beyond the horizon but the light is scattered through the atmosphere, reflected off the surface of the earth and to clouds and back again. Hence the dusk/dawn glow we are all familiar with.
Or think of a spotlight on a stage in a theatre and how the audience can see the light coming out of the light from the source and off the surface it is directed at.
The only way to hide the light of the sun on one part of the earth from another is clearly by the parts being on opposite sides of an opaque ball that is illuminated on only one side.
Therefore the passage in Luke 17 speaking of people being in both day and night when Jesus returns shows an advanced understanding of the nature of the Earth. Think about it: back then you could not communicate with anyone on the other side of the earth as you can today to confirm what we all take for granted today about the function of day and night on our spinning blue marble.
By the way, you may know that I teach that believers will be gathered to safety on earth for the Tribulation. After considering Luke 17 above, you may be wondering why it seems to contradict that concept. The answer is that there is a special group of believers who have special protection to witness throughout the world during the Great Tribulation and therefore are not gathered with the rest: the 144,000.
I don't think this question is worth fighting over let alone worrying about or attacking each other over. I really did not want to comment on it because I know voicing in on it will offend some and alienate others.
Whatever you believe on this topic really is fine with me. I'm not trying to convince you to not believe in flat earth. This article was written in response to those who asked what I think on this issue or those who want my help on this question.
Realistically, your answer to this question does not matter; it does not impact our daily walk. What matters is how we treat each other. If this question causes us to stumble and "beat our fellow menservants and maidservants" (Lk 12:45) then it is an issue and we each must examine ourselves if we are in the faith in light of how we handle it (2Co 13:5).
Also, whether we are on a flat earth or round earth Wormwood is coming to devastate it as Jesus warned! We need to obey his advice to "pray that we may have the strength to escape" (Lk 21:36)...and in the meantime love each other as Jesus commanded those who call him "Lord" (Lk 6:46).
Watch this Mythbusters flight to 70,000 feet in a U2 spy plane with increasing curvature of the earth as they go up...
Flatearthers claim in the video comments that any curve seen is from "fish eye lens." However, the instruments in the cockpit are not curved because it's a normal lens. The curved glass canopy does distort things when the camera shoots through it at oblique angles. If you get to the 8:08 video mark when the plane is at the highest altitude, you'll see the horizon in the background distinctly curved and the wing in the foreground straight.
The only shame is they did not choose to take a flatearther up with them and let him see the curve with his own eyes. That would make a great reality show!
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The Hebrew word Chug (חוג) or Chuwg means a flat circle like a coin. Isaiah 40:22 “he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth.” Hebrew: הַיֹּשֵׁב֙ עַל־ ח֣וּג הָאָ֔רֶץ וְיֹשְׁבֶ֖יהָ The root of chûgh (or chug) is mentioned six times in the bible, and it is quite evident from its usage, in context, that it refers to a specific geometrical shape; “A circle as drawn with a compass” or “encompassed”. •In Job 26:10 and Prov. 8:27, chûgh is used with choq, intending “to inscribe a circle.” This nominal infinitive form also appears in Job 22:14, when signifying “the circle of the heavens” •In Isa. 40:22, where it denotes “the circle of the earth”. •Sir. 43:12 uses chûgh as description of the rainbow. •In Isa. 44:13, chûgh appears as mechûghah, which simply means “a compass,” in other words the geometrical instrument which you use to can draw circles on a paper. So maybe they used the same word for circle and ball? No. The Hebrew word for a spherical shape like a ball is Dur (דור). Not used in this context at all.Reply
Hi Tim. Thank you for this article. You have strong convictions to your belief, you back it up with Scripture, and you do not wrongly judge those who disagree. I respect that. I do not know the the exact form of the Earth, but I do know that our cosmology is not the same one NASA and modern “science” portrays, i.e. the heliocentric spinning ball model. This may sound extreme and impossible–but it isn’t really. Modern government-funded science tells us that we have no soul, that there is no such thing as God, that the universe was started by a Big Bang trillions of years ago, that we are evolved from monkeys and fish. Are we to believe them on just this one worldview while we clearly reject the rest?
Modern science also tells us we have 5 senses. However, we have many more than that. God also gave us sense for force and acceleration. We would most certainly feel the earth rotating about it’s axis as it wobbles, we would sense a change in motion twice a year when the earth changes direction in its elliptical orbit around the sun. Airplanes taking off near the poles would have to speed up to close to 1000mph just to be able to land on the equator. This is enough evidence for me to prove the earth is not spinning or circling the sun.
Tim, you say we misunderstand Rev 7:1’s four corners of the earth. You say they must be the four cardinal directions because “if you travel north long enough, you reach the north pole and cannot travel north anymore. You must turn south.” However, on a spinning globe you can travel west for infinity without ever having to travel east. If the four cardinal directions were the meaning, it would have read “two ends of the earth.”
You also point out in the airplane video that there is no way that the curvature is due to a fisheye lens, however at 8:15-8:16 you can see there is, in fact, a considerable fisheye effect. This video does not necessarily prove a spherical earth.
I also do not believe that the circle or compass of Isaiah 40:22 is in any way hinting to a globe. That is eisegesis, as the same word is used to describe the heavens in Job 22:14 and Job 26:10 uses the same word to describe how water is encompassed in its bounds. This word is clearly not used to describe a physical form.
Joshua 10:12-14 describes the sun and moon standing still. This is not possible given the globe earth cosmology. It would require the earth stop spinning which would have caused dire cataclysms.
In Genesis 1, God creates the sun, moon, and stars several days after he created the earth. He placed them in the firmament, or the vault of the sky. This is not possible with the heliocentric model.
The non-spherical geocentric earth was the understood cosmology during the biblical era. The spherical model began in Greece and was advocated for by Greek philosophers who recognized the sphere as the perfect geometric shape. The heliocentric model also originates in Greek philosophers who considered the sun to be the god Helios.
Once you consider that perhaps the earth is not the sphere depicted in Nasa’s ‘The Blue Marble’ image, many parts of Scripture begin to make more sense when read literally, such as Revelation 1:7. How can everyone simultaneously see Jesus returning from the sky on a globe? You don’t have to accept every part of the Flat Earth Theory to realize that the heliocentric spinning globe model is wrong.Reply
Looking out into the ocean from the Virginia Beach oceanfront beach, with binoculars, I can see the tops of the wind turbines with their blades spinning. I only see the tops of the turbines, not the bottom. These turbines are more than 27 miles away and are about 600 feet tall. If the earth was flat, I should see the whole turbine. Why don’t I? Because the line of sight is blocked by the curvature of the earth. Simple really.Reply
I’m so glad you said that. Let’s use the earth curvature formula to see how much should be hidden.
If you go to https://calculators.io/curvature/, you can see how far below the horizon is at 27 miles. I assumed you were viewing from a height of 6 ft. The base of the turbines at 27 miles away should be hidden by 384 feet. The wind blades are about 253 ft (or more depending on the news source), so the top of the turbine is actually 347 ft tall. Therefore, the top of the turbine should be hidden by 37 ft below the curve. Given swells and waves, it would be hidden by slightly more.
Why can we see things that should be hidden under the curve? On very warm and clear days when the lower atmosphere is dry, the distance to your horizon is much further than what should be possible according to science. For example, in such conditions you can see the Chicago skyline from the other side of Lake Michigan, an impossibility.Reply
I know people personally and have heard of hundreds more who have come to a saving belief in Yeshua because of flat earth doctrine. However I never ridicule anyone for believing in a globe because I know how hard is to accept such a massive cover-up. Is anyone surprised that Satan is good at deception (especially after reading Tim’s book and articles)? The bible says differently (Matt 24:24). I understand if you don’t believe in flat earth, but please don’t ridicule it and say it’s NOT important. Seeking truth is always important and to the non-Christian it can be a powerful argument for belief in the Creator.Reply
Robert, what one believes about the shape of the earth is not important in daily life; it does not affect a single choice. Also, what happens to the faith of these “believers because of flat earth” when they find out it’s a lie?Reply
Here’s my intake on it I believe the earth is flat and I say this because I’ve read countless testimonies of people being saved when they realized that the earth was not a sphere. Why is it that Jesus is bringing people to him through the flat earth? We were warned about this earth, it’s deception and how satan rules it. Also it gets scarier did you know that the spherical earth initiates with 666. According to the spherical earth it is on a 66.6 tilt, the curvature in one mile squared is 666, the polar circles are located near the poles of the earth at 66.6 north and south latitude . This is only just some examples because there’s more but brother in christ you have to research on it if you would like to learn more. Now recently God gave me a vision that showed me the flat earth and the firmament. I believe it was a confirmation. Also to confirm it even more I found a bible that actually has the word flat earth mentioned in it and this bible has been accredited to be taken straight from the manuscripts read 2 samuel 11:11 brother and you will see what I mean heres the link and I pray you receive this blessing https://faithofgod.net/tanak/2sa.htm#11:1Reply
Thank you for your article and pointing out the importance of responding in love to those whose beliefs are different. I am guilty of having a poor and judgmental reaction which I was immediately convicted of when I first heard about a well known athlete and a family member who both have flat earth beliefs. Thank you for reminding us of what the bible says in red (i.e. the words of Jesus Christ) in Luke 12:45 about not beating each other down. The Master is coming.
I will say that the thing that concerns me about this issue is the amount of contention and disputing it is causing between marriages (my own-my husband as of late has begin to subscribe to idea of a flat earth), family members and friends especially the ones who are in the body of Christ. It seems that this is becoming a newly (or maybe not so new-there is nothing new under the sun) formed faction within the body of Christ that doesn’t seem to be producing peace.
It seems to me to be a distraction from the message of Jesus Christ. In 1 Corinthians 1, Paul warns against divisions within the body. While the contention now is over whether the earth is round or not, their contention was over baptism and who baptised who. Paul answers this by saying: “Christ did not send me to baptize but to PREACH THE GOSPEL, not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of no effect.” In 1 Corinthians 2, he goes on to say: “For I determined not to know anything among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified. I was with you in weakness, in fear, and much trembling. And my speech and my preaching were not with persausive words of human wisdom but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, that your faith should not be in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.”
From my perspective, since coming to Christ and as I grown in Him, as a rule of thumb, whatever knowledge I come into needs to begin with and end with Jesus Christ.
I fell in love with the Jesus of the bible not with the “knowledge” of the bible e.g. bible codes and the like in the first place. So it just seems logical to me that I see things in the light of His redemption.
I do take heed what you say about how everyone of us can get caught in deception. Its true. But by the grace of God go I. I too was almost caught up in a false interpretation of the scripture. (Thank the Lord for my mother who promptly called it to my attention.) I do
wonder though. How is it that our eyes can be so easily taken from the Light which drew us?
There are a great many things that the bible mentions. I am sure that there are a great many things that are certainly true or not regarding the world in which we live but as I asked my husband the other day “Is it right that this subject is causing this amount of contention between us? 2 Timothy 2:22-23 says, Flee also youthful lusts; but pursue righteousness, faith, love , peace with those who call on the Lord with a pure heart. But avoid foolish and ignorant disputes, knowing that they generate strife.
Again thank you for your article. I found it while doing a search about this subject matter. What you say about walking in love and not being judgmental was confirmation for what I already knew. I will only add more of what was said in red (Jesus’ own words): ” A new commandment I give unto you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another. By this all will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for each other. John 13:34-35.
You, sir, are a disciple of Christ.Reply
Surely, everyone has been a stationary exercise bicycle. When you pedal, the wheel spins but the bike doesn’t move. Same with the earth.Reply
The main issue is that we accepted a heliocentric theorem as fact when it is merely very elaborate theory supported by scribbles of calculations adapted to make sense, they need the distance and vastness to explain things, they chose not to factor in the many times the observed did not line up with their theorem. Dig around and you may yet find that ultimately science as we know today is rooted in the occult and Kabalah; secret knowledge. Quantum physics and other stuff that came with it. Did we miss the problem Adam & Eve created when they actively chose Knowledge of Good and Bad? Are we sleeping at the wheel? If God meant us to know certain things he He would have provided it… It’s true the bible is NO science text and thank God because after researching and digging deep, there are more occult roots tied to “science” as we know it and so much Pantheism and Monotheism and the becoming “divine” separate from God, if that’s not part of what Satan offered Adam & Eve I don’t know what is…
The issue about this is that IF we are being lied to we are willing participants in being led astray, and were we not warned that many would be led astray, do we really think Satan and his hordes would not have refined their tactics by now to fit and mold the world.
The whole world IS lying in the power of the wicked…
And Jesus came to illuminate our minds and lead us to truths in soundness of mind and the world of science does not fit that, not at all… they invent terms and “things” to “prove”…
And no, this is NO comfortable topic, it creates massive division simply because this is the design, we have been so fully warped in our minds that husband tells wife she is mad and father disowns child and brothers become heated simply because one person receives light and sees behind the lies. And TV shows plainly show these elaborate deceptions at work… we watch TV and consume media with stories telling the stories of our societies.
Before I started looking at the Flat Earth doubts had seeped in… the search for alien life, the curiosity for the “heavens” and suddenly there were no limits and life here on earth is but an after thought, woefully unimportant.
Do you realize how many really wise and intelligent young men and women are entranced and enthralled by this worldview that God is nonsense to them? I do, my high school and university years are full of it.
If you look deeper at who is behind this all, and who shortened our bible to 66 books (so funny I never found that ironic until now, 30+ years of bible reading… )… if you look you suddenly find yourself realizing you are eating the doctrines of the Weeds that Jesus said would be allowed to grow with the Wheat class.
These same are the spirit dark forces we wrestle with…
We definitely live in important days to be making sure of these things. I can’t tell you what to believe, I can however tell you to remember WHO told you it was all poetic and musical… I remember it was my bible teachers and they believe in science and have always used this “circle” of the earth as a text to say Bible agrees with science — as if that makes the bible more of an authority. (When did we become so thirsty for “secular” validation? When did we make physicians respected — dig around they used to NOT be respected, they were considered crooks and incompetent people — no don’t tell me about technological advancement because our world is IN the power of the wicked one leading people to look for their own world fixing solutions outside Christ, far from God Jehovah).
Now for years I taught this to others… never questioning… now that I have I have found that the writer mentioned in this blog post, Isaiah DID know the difference between a circle or a sphere… because first in Isaiah 22:18, we find the first use of the word “dur” (ball) in the Scriptures:
Isaiah 22:18: He will surely violently turn and toss thee like a ball into a large country: there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord’s house.
Isaiah 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in.
My final positing on the matter is ASK for Holy Spirit and ASK Jehovah to reveal whatever you need revealed to break you free from any Babylonian bondage… because guys, we are dab smack in the middle of it, plugged right into the back of our heads. Our kids are being fed this, we are feeding them and we are programmed to no longer perceive what is Good and acceptable to our King and Father.
Much peace & love!Reply
Cathy, Isaiah 22:18’s cadur is still not a specific word for sphere or even ball like we have in English. Based other usages (Ps. 84:10, Dan. 4) which correspond with the idea of ‘encampment’ or ‘dwelling’, this word would seem to be used in reference to a ‘circle’ that is somehow in motion.
Unfortunately, the Bible is not specific enough for any of our tastes on this point (and so many others). I still cannot see the subject as important as you argue. I wrote this article to reassure people about that and to remind them that it’s OK whatever someone believes on this point and to love them regardless. Whether you agree or even see my good intentions, I love and bless you the same.Reply
Another world heard from: Even if the earth is a sphere, “facts” traditionally taught about its rotation and revolution are not necessarily so. Since satellites, moons, planets, space stations, rockets, etc. are all moving, there is no stationary perspective to tell what is moving, what is moving around what, and how fast. Could earth be stationary? Scientists collude about many subjects and have often admired the emperor’s nudity as new clothes.Reply
Tim, thank you for this post. Just thought I should share with other readers a simple observation proving the earth isn’t flat, and anyone can plainly observe this too, and that is perspective.
When things are moving away from us they always appear smaller and smaller until they are a dot in the middle of the horizon. With sunsets, however, the sun never observably gets smaller in size, it just sinks into the horizon, but doesn’t shrink. If the sun were moving away from our spot into another spot in the field of a flat earth, then it should get smaller and smaller as the day gets darker until it is a dot and to a point we cannot see. However, based upon everyday, simple observation, the sun never does get smaller, it just goes down being its normal, same, big size. Proves it really isn’t moving away from us at the end of the day but is instead being blocked from sight.
Same thing with sunrise, the sun does not move towards us from a dot and then gain in size as the light gets brighter, rather, it literally rises in the same size up from the horizon. Hope this helps someone looking for something clearly observable with their own eyes.Reply
Actually, no offense Tim McHyde, but what you have said “If you flew to 70,000 feet you’d see the curve”, is heresy for you yourself have NOT flown 70,000 feet above the ground (planes fly at most, 40,000 feet). By giving us this human message (for science rivals Roman Catholicism and Islam for the largest “world religion”–aren’t our planets also named after gods and we are taught it’s own “laws” prescribed by man [some true, some not]–yes Science too can be used in such manner, evolution, the Big Bang etc.) you blatantly reject the Word of God immediately. Please take this as constructive criticism and reflect.
@marilyn samaniego Your statement about your husband is also hearsay (you also could be a shill, I have met many quick to defend this globe construct) and many others rival your husband’s statement.Reply
Dear Jack, no offense intended on my part but I think your statement may be fallacious. To say that Mr. McHyde is guilty of heresy because he claimed that the Earth’s curve can be seen from 70,000 feet when he himself has not flown 70,000 feet, is tantamount to calling someone a heretic for claiming that human beings have a brain inside their skulls when you have never seen the brain inside your own skull. Obviously Mr. McHyde made that statement because of the observations of other people who have flown at 70,000 feet and seen the Earth’s curve. Also obvious is the fact that you can know humans have brains because others have seen them, even if you haven’t.Reply
Ha! “Everyone who doesn’t agree with me is a shill and blinded by Satan.”Reply
Thank you so much for your insight. I have been arguing for weeks with a newly turned flat-earther. It has been stressful because I’ve been called ignorant and accused of cognitive dissonance. I hate to say I’ve been a victim of anger at the tone and accusation and have hurled my own insult once or twice when her reply to my proof is simply, “I don’t believe it.” Or her argument that it’s only because of the perception, then disagrees that my point could be backed with the same phrase. Or the funniest argument is that the round earth theory was created by Satan and his followers to deceive believers and keep them from Christ…. what? No. To me, how much “perfect” was the creation of “just the right tilt, just the right speed, gravity, just the right distance from the sun? How much greater is God for making us so special that of all the planets and all the stars, there is only one earth that, in the beginning, He created for us? To me, my opinion, is that it is so much more amazing than a flat earth sitting on top of pillars that God looks down on through a glass dome like a child looks through a snow globe… I’ve also tried the literal/figurative Bible translation argument, but it’s always me that is wrong. So, my point, thank you. Thanks for the take you have on this and in pointing me back to Him in my attitude. I will have a new view now, a more “like Christ” view.Reply
Jess, I have been dealing with the same thing with my brother for the last couple of months. He is not ready for the spiritual things of God.
He cannot understand because when God speaks of his creation he is speaking in parables that are spiritually discerned.
And He said, “To you it has been granted to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God, but to the rest it is in parables, so that SEEING THEY MAY NOT SEE, AND HEARING THEY MAY NOT UNDERSTAND.
1 Cor 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
“Therefore I speak to them in parables; because while seeing they do not see, and while hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand.
Have you checked out FLAT Earth information . I can’t find the curve on water as they say it should be . 70 verses in the bible , about the earth , never a ball.Reply
Ron, if you flew to 70,000 feet you’d see the curve.
Also by your slavishly literal reading of the Bible’s poetic passages using humanistic-perspective idioms to prove a flat earth that doesn’t move and is not round, then also the heavenly bodies can speak words to us, there is a tent for the sun (Ps 19:4), etc. It gets silly real fast when you are not so selective but follow the method of interpretation you are using to prove a flat earth from the Bible to all aspects. 🙁Reply
Isaiah 40:22 – It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.Reply
Sue, that doesn’t mean a flat disc shaped earth. My husband was a pilot and saw the curve.Reply
While sitting on a balcony in Cabo San Lucas, Mexico, I was looking at the ocean and the horizon, and could distinctly see the curvature of the earth. The long railing on the patio was flat and level, and while lining the railing up with the horizon you can actually see the curvature of the earth. Try it, it’s obvious. The earth is not flat!Reply
You cannot see the curve from that height. Maybe you saw swell of the ocean but according to NASA the curve can only be detected above 30,000 ft.Reply
My biggest complaint of the flat-earthers is that their so-called “proof” of a flat earth is achieved or acquired from only a handful of various scriptures in the bible that they have chosen to interpret literally, as opposed to metaphorically as intended, yet allow the thousands of remaining scriptures to retain their metaphorical interpretations without question. Who decides which scriptures are to be interpreted literally and which ones metaphorically??Reply
I am completely fine with believers, even though I am deist/atheist (I don’t believe the Bible is inspired by the supernatural powers, it doesn’t mean some sort of it considered as “God” can’t exist) but this flat – earth crowd of Bible literalists insults not only my roughly scientific point of view, but also great, sane, faithful people like you are. I was trying to debate a lady who is a flat earther and also a Bible literalist, she’s obviously mentally stuck and it is impossible to explain her the Bible is not a scientific book and it can’t replace logic and scientific methods, only because it may contain the word of God. Of course she called me “ignorant” “sheep” “stupid”. But their “trust your eyes” is ironically a perfect summary of this movement: they are ready to believe anything they see on the flat earth videos. Cheers!Reply
1 Chronicles 16:30: “He has fixed the earth firm, immovable.”
Just Me, Even Flat Earthers don’t all say the earth is “immovable.” Some say that it’s moving upwards to create the downward pull instead of gravitational force. So that verse does not help everyone in the FE cause, if it were literal, which it is not. It’s poetic, a quotation from a song of David Psalm 93:1. I would not call it wise to quote songs (using poetic or figurative language) for cosmology!Reply
“some’ is to small a number to use as your final answer, Many do not believe the earth to be moving at all. You fail to see some things with our current system. first you have the Van Allen Belt, you have Nasa admitting to the fake photos, and its not some movement or gravity making things fall. it is simply density. why is it that the oceans so big and heavy are held in a perfect ball shape and always holding on yet a bird flys so free. in the begging there was no form. reread the creation of earth, unless that to is not to be taken seriously.
Dimitry, you look to be in your 20s. I think in another ten years you will have learned enough discernment to disagree with your own comment arguing for a flat earth and no moon landing. It’s OK whatever you believe and I won’t try to change your mind.Reply
A Flat Earther argued with me about gravity, saying it doesn’t exist and that any object in air will fall because it is denser than the air. I explained to her that density pertains to mass and that weight is nonexistent if gravity is nonexistent. I explained this to her very politely and respectfully, and all I got in return from her was enough F-bombs and insults about my intelligence to fill a porn magazine. Even other Flat Earthers responded only with derogatory terms less any explanation of why they believe what they believe. Even when I explained that it is illogical to believe that every government in the world, even ones who are mortal enemies, would spend trillions of dollars and collude to hide the secret of Earth’s shape, I was simply called an brainwashed idiot. I give up.Reply
1 Chronicles 16:30 : “Fear before Him, all the earth: the world also shall be stable , that it be not moved.” KJV
look up why KJV is more accurate . also rotation and orbit can be stable too.Reply
Luke, that verse is not a literal description of the earth but rather a poetic passage about the sure reign of the one who created it, Yehovah. If someone thinks a 400 year old translation is more accurate than modern versions, they might need to study this.Reply
You claim 1 Chronicles 16:30 is not scientific. You also claim the entire Bible is not scientific. Please explain why Isaiah 40 and Proverbs 8 can be used as scientific evidence. Flat earthers use these same verses as Biblical support that the earth is flat and circular, not spherical in nature.Reply
Brian, the Bible is not “scientific evidence” for anything. It does give us literal descriptions of the world like Isaiah 40 and Proverbs 8 that logically require a sphere. 1Ch 16:30 is not meant literally that the earth does not physically move, but rather figuratively that it’s under God’s power and that this won’t move/change. If you want a science book, look elsewhere.Reply
Stable means = to be firm, be stable, be established
to be set up, be established, be fixed
to be firmly established
to be established, be stable, be secure, be enduring
to be fixed, be securely determined
to be directed aright, be fixed aright, be steadfast (moral sense)
to prepare, be ready
to be prepared, be arranged, be settled
to establish, set up, accomplish, do, make firm
to fix, make ready, prepare, provide, provide for, furnish
to direct toward (moral sense)
to arrange, order
to be established, be fastened
to be prepared, be ready
to set up, establish
to constitute, make
(Pulal) to be established, be prepared
(Hithpolel) to be established, be restored
Moved means = to totter, shake, slip
(Qal) to totter, shake, slip
(Niphal) to be shaken, be moved, be overthrown
(Hiphil) to dislodge, let fall, drop
(Hithpael) to be greatly shaken
So what Chron. means is the earth is never going anywhere its firmly placed and protected it cant be moved from its God given placement but that does not mean it does not spin.Reply
Immovable does not have to mean it does not spin it could mean it spins in the exact same spot foreverReply
Thank you for this post, I understand your reluctance to post it but I’m grateful for the respect contained and the simple answers used. Thank you for all your effort and research.Reply
Perhaps the flat earth has scriptural support. Isn’t the Hebrew word for ball something like dure pronounced dur? Yet Hebrew scripture is reported to use something like khoog and pronounced as Chug, denoting a circle.
Are we really to believe anything from the govt. space agency NASA when virtually every govt. agency churns out lie after lie? (Wikileaks) According to NASA we are speeding around the universe at 1,800,000+ MPH and we don’t feel a thing.
NASA’s own formula regarding curvature exposes their untenable position.
8 inches of drop for every mile squared so Catalina Island at 22 miles from Long Beach CA should be 22 squared x 8 inches = 363 feet below the horizon yet Catalina Island is clearly visible from the Ca shore.
Al, You don’t have to trust NASA or any other space agency! You can prove for yourself the shape of the earth.
I agree the Bible is not as clear as we’d like either way. Of course, that’s not its purpose. It’s not a science book. On the other hand, it does not confirm a flat earth or contradict a round earth.Reply
Actually, you would be correct, Catalina Island is clearly visible from Long Beach 22 miles off shore. Yet what you failed to explain, is that from a average human height of 6 feet and assuming you are looking at Catalina from Long Beach at sea level 22 miles across the ocean, you are only seeing part of Catalina island. Catalina Island has a peak elevation is 2,097 feet above sea level. The amount of Catalina you are seeing is all the land above 240.74 feet in elevation on Catalina. Even with your math at 363 ft below the horizon at 22 miles a vast part of Catalina would still be clearly visible, in fact 1,734 feet to the peak would be visible. Of course it would have to be a clear day…. Just Saying!!Reply
People of the ancient Near East, including Hebrews / Israelites, Egypt. Mesopotamia, Greece, India and China believed Earth was a flat disc,Reply
In the Near East, Egypt and Mesopotamia Earth was conceptualised as a large, flat, circular disk anchored in water. The Hebrews / Israelites believed Earth was covered by a “firmament,” a large solid dome in which the stars were placed. Above the dome was also water, which was the source of rain.